Eric Decker.......Possible Free Agent Target of the Jets

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  1. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Get it done. The greatest potential for team success starts with upgrading the offense. Namely, the WR position (bye Holmes :up: ) , the offensive line and the tight end position.

    Geno, rise.
     
  2. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Holmes 23 total catches and 1 total tds were awesome, and added great production to our offense :breakdance:
     
  3. TonyMaC

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    the more I think of it the more signing Decker makes all the sense in the world for the Jets. a 35-50 million dollar deal over 5 years with 16-20 guaranteed mostly served over the first 3 years sounds very good to me.

    In fact having a heavier year in the deal would be splendid as long as it was after the second year and wasn't all guaranteed. theres no need to try to cheap our way out of paying a top 20 WR top 20 money if we really want him and deem him valuable. Renegotiation and no risk of losing a player as leverage leaves us in a better state for our cap future than anything else.

    Sure the Jets can offer up Maclin or somebody like him a one year "show me" deal, but lets think about the reasons we want that. one is so that he wouldn't be a big hit on the cap THIS year, which even Decker doesn't have to be seeing as how lighter payouts out the gate are of the norm for these kind of contracts.

    the other is that we know he has pro level skill but we aren't sure its worth big money after an injury. So in other words we sign a player for the same price as a rookie for his veteran talent that we don't know will be there after an injury instead of choosing a player thats a more sure prospect to be our top WR for a probably negligible amount more in 2014.

    and even if that works out? we're paying him the same money as Decker would receive the next year,losing him to another team who does (remember the jets wouldn't be the only team he'd impress) or have to OVERPAY for him for even MORE than Decker just to make sure he's retained, most likely making the exercise pointless from a financial standpoint.

    A player due a set amount can be convinced to lighted their load for the good of the team far more easily than a player looking to cash in in other words, we'd just be delaying a harsher process where we would HAVE to pay more to keep a player who's proven himself. we shouldn't get cheap for one year with a player we aren't sure will work out since ironically it might actually bite us in the ass more than having a player with a stable contract the next year to work with.

    the way I look at it the only things that matter for longer contracts is if a player is deemed valuable and worth retaining for an intermediate to longer period of time and what the guaranteed money entails.

    So long as the distribution of guaranteed cash isn't overbearing during one year (preferably an average of about 5 million over 3 years with no year going over 7 million) what he's owed is almost a non-factor. there could be give or take 20 million owed in his last years that never get payed if he's cut, inflating the apparent mass of a deal. so really a 5 year 45 million dollar deal could be a 3 year $18 million(actually more at first but restructured for cap savings)contract if another better value option is waiting.

    The more I think of it the more signing the more expensive player in THIS offseason seems like a better idea than doing the "frugal" thing.

    Decker looks like everything one could want from a top WR, runs clean routes, can make difficult grabs or compensate for errant throws, a good man that brings a good presence to the locker room and tot he field. I hope he becomes a jet good and soon, the points about him getting overpaid seem greatly over-exaggerated.
     
  4. NewYorkEveryThing

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    How about Edelman???

    Can be had at a decent cost?
    Via pro sports daily.Julian Edelman is unsure if he will be re-signed by the New England Patriots.

    Edelman became Tom Brady's most valuable receiver following the season-ending injury to Rob Gronkowski.

    Edelman became the Patriots' replacement for Wes Welker that the team expected Danny Amendola to be.
     
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  5. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    no thanks to edelman. he isn't that good
     
  6. Imagesrdecieving

    Imagesrdecieving Well-Known Member

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    Kerley is our Edelman. If we sign a FA WR it's got to be someone who can line up on the outside.

    I'm not convinced that Decker can be a #1 but he is certainly an upgrade over what we have.
     
  7. Jersey Joe 67

    Jersey Joe 67 Well-Known Member

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    Decker needs more pieces around him to pay off. Where he excels is in being a big redone target.
    Decker & Nicks would be nice additions, but Decker alone wouldn't be $ well spent imo.
     
  8. soxxx

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    Hakeem Nicks or Eric Decker?

    Hakeem Nicks
     
  9. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    How do you know he needs more pieces around him to pay off?
     
  10. Footballgod214

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    Is it even possible for a team to build itself and sustain itself solely through the draft?
     
  11. displacedfan

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    No

    filler filler
     
  12. Br4d

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    There are exceptions to every rule but it's pretty clear that if you want a lot of cheap talent performing very well the best way to get that done is the draft.

    Trades and especially free agency have the inherent disadvantage of acquiring mid-career players who are nearing or have already reached their peak earning potential. This puts a heavy load on the cap and lowers the upside available to the team against an unforgiving salary cap structure.

    This is why the free agency winner each year usually languishes in the mid-ranks with the occasional spectacular failure mixed in.

    Think of the cap as a determiner of overall value on the team. The variable that matters is how much you get out of each cap dollar. When you have a high rate of return on cap dollars spent your performance moves to the upper end of the expected results. When you have a low rate of return it spirals downwards.

    So the best case scenario is cheap player becomes a star. The worst case scenario is highly compensated superstar gets injured. Lots of cheap players gives you more chances at the best case scenario. Lots of highly compensated superstars gives you more chances at the worst.
     
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  13. nevbeats319

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    sure..if you have a roster with pieces in place already and your just drafting for future needs to replace older players.. we don't have the luxury and have to use free agency and our draft picks to play right away

    49ers roster has that now, they don't even need to use there draft picks to play right away but in a few years they will be ready
     
  14. Rockinz

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    I think we can draft another piece to play with Decker and Kerley...

    Plenty of studs WR in this draft!
     
  15. soxxx

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    This, the Seahawks and 49ers are paying guys like Wilson, Kaepernick, Kendall Hunter, next to nothing but the impact they have had far exceeds what they are getting paid.

    Heres a great article I found that describes the 49ers current situation and shows diagrams of how much the player was making last season.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rs-be-willing-to-pay-to-keep-colin-kaepernick

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    As you can see, the bulk of the money has been invested in the 49ers LBs.

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    On offense Kaepernick probably getting paid the least but thats going to change because he is going to get a contract close to $20 million.
     
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  16. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    But where does the statement that he can't be productive without other guys come from?
     
  17. soxxx

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    Because he hasnt proven he can and honestly ive watched so many #2 WRs get paid like #1 on a new team and they never deliver. Decker is good as a #2 or #3 but we are going to have to pay him like he's the #1, he will fill the role of the #1, and I dont think it would work out.

    If im going to pay a guy like a #1, I want to know for a fact that he can be the #1, Decker has not proven that AT ALL.
     
  18. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Has Demaryius Thomas proven he can? Until he gets a chance to prove it your argument makes no sense.
     
  19. Any way you slice it Hakeem Nicks is the best WR that will be available via free agency. The production issue from last year is strange but I don't think he was fully healthy & that Giant locker room was a mess.

    I think he'd make a good Jet; ready to stick it to his former team from "across town".
     
  20. soxxx

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    Its picks like Stephen Hill that set this franchise back, EVERYONE knew he didnt play in an NFL offense and we still picked him.

    Coulda had:

    Alshon Jefferey - South Carolina SEC
    Ryan Broyles - Oklahoma Big 12
    Ruben Randle - LSU SEC
    DeVier Posey - Ohio State
    Mohamud Sanu - Rutgers (Yes Rutgers but this entire forum hyped this kid and we all knew)

    We picked a guy that we knew didnt play in an NFL offense, while we had a TON Of options from players from SEC colleges, and Colleges like Ohio State, Oklahoma, LSU and we pick Stephen Hill? God damn.
     

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