Dude. Your whole logic is crushed when you simply look at the schemes that both players played in. Geno was In a QB friendly offense, Brigdewater was in a pro style offense with way more responsibility in the huddle. To say Austin was just a smurf is crazy talk, he was an excellent college receiver in a QB friendly scheme. Parker is more of an NFL ready WR, but he also benefits from playing in a pro style offense in college. Two different worlds. Geno doesn't compare to Bridgewater or vice versa. I like Geno a lot, don't get me wrong, Geno can be taught to be a great QB in this league. I don't know if he will become a great QB but that potential is there. TB has a huge head start going into the NFL, In terms of where both players were at leading into the draft. It's not even comparable. Also, watch the technique from both players in college. It's just not the same. Reads, Accuracy, Footwork, timing, short/intermediate throws, pocket awareness. All of those things TB did better at this point in the pre-draft process. The only thing Geno was probably better at doing was throwing the deep ball but let's be honest, you would expect that considering that was all WVU did when Geno was there. That was their bread and butter. Naturally you do something that often, your going to probably get really good at it.
You are arguing with someone tilting at windmills. You can't rationally discuss QBs with someone who thinks Teddy=Brady Quinn. It's silly. _
But some of those same posters that are projecting Bridgewater as a sure fire QB also projected Quinn as the #1 7 years ago as a can't miss talent. And in 7 years some of the projections being posted today will look foolish. Bridgewater may be the best QB in the draft but he is certainly not a can't miss prospect.
Shhh. Every single quarterback in this draft is a cant-miss prospect. Hell, even Stephen Morris is a guaranteed stud in this draft. Picking Geno last year in the second round was a joke. A joke. Joke. _
Brady Quinn was thought of as the number 1 or 2 pick the year before he came out. Unfortunately for him he stayed the extra year and pulled a Matt Barkley. If you recall, the year before everyone was debating whether Leinart or Quinn were going to be the 1 or 2 if they came out. Neither did and both their senior years showed flaws causing them to drop. In hindsight, it looks like he was more hype than legit but what I hope is obvious is that Quinn never had the arm talent Teddy has. Look, the draft is always a gamble and what happens in the future no one knows, but comparing Brady Quinn to Bridgewater just smacks of someone throwing crap at the wall. _
Sounds like Teddy Bridgewater made a very smart move by coming out. If he stayed for his senior year who knows what happens? Brady Quinn was not only the #1 favorite after his junior year, he was also the popular #1 favorite after his senior year. Then he met the reality that while he had a great college career the NFL looks for other things in superstar QB's. I won't be at all surprised if Teddy Bridgewater winds up going to Cleveland at 4 or Minnesota at 8 or if he drops a bit farther than that. If you actually take the time to look at his college career, by actually watching the games, you see a good prospect who is by no means perfect. If you try to extrapolate what he will do in the NFL where everybody is bigger and faster you get as many questions as answers out of the process. Will he have good support around him? The same level of support he had at Louisville compared to the competition? Will he be asked to open up and throw the ball down field more often or will he be in a QB-friendly offense with lots of short throws out of spread as he was in college? Can he take the pounding of having people like Mo Wilkerson landing on him on a regular basis? There are a lot of questions about the two top prospects at QB in this class, in Bridgewater and Manziel, and it'll be interesting to see how people sort all of that out as they are setting their boards. The best possible landing spot for Bridgewater would be at Houston on the 1. They have the most overall support for a young QB out of the top 8 teams or so. However O'Brien seems to like sturdy QB's. It'll be interesting to see if he sees enough out of Bridgewater to be willing to break that mold.
Doh! So that's supposed to be news, that Bridgewater isn't perfect? NO prospect is perfect. They all have flaws. Some have fewer flaws, or their flaws or less significant/troublesome, but there is no such thing as a "perfect' prospect. I never got the Brady Quinn love. I saw him quite a few times when he was at ND and was never impressed with him. My prediction: If O'Brien passes on Teddy Bridgewater, he won't last over a few seasons in the NFL, will be back coaching a college team, and will go down in infamy.
Most coaches coming from the college ranks last just a few seasons in the NFL. That's par for the course. If Teddy Bridgewater winds up in Jacksonville or Cleveland or Oakland he's fairly likely to have a rough landing in the NFL. Cleveland has some of the talent required to help a young QB through the early adjustment process but they're the Browns and the next time something goes right for them will be the first time that has happened since expansion. The other two teams are a mess at the moment with big transitions on both sides of the ball. They'd be bad landing spots for Bridgewater unless the coaching was just superlative. The Vikings would also be an iffy landing spot although probably not as bad as the Jaguars or Raiders. The point is that if O'Brien passes on Bridgewater he probably hurts Bridgewater's overall chances to develop into the kind of QB that would come back to haunt him down the road.
What QB coming out of college does your argument not apply to though? I can't think of a single QB coming out of college that had a shitty offense handed to him, that didn't struggle. I don't understand the overall argument I guess. How does this reflect on, Bridgewater? Unless you are suggesting that he isn't capable of making an offense great on his on. Then I would say you are right, but that applies to every QB in the NFL.
Where is all of this Brady Quinn talk coming from now? Brady Quinn did not have a great college career, his play improved drastically with Weis took the reigns but the offensive scheme was very good. It made Quinn much better than he was. Quinn did not throw the ball well in college, his accuracy was atrocious, his timing was awful, his completion percentage isn't consistently close or good in terms of when you are evaluating a top tier QB heading into the draft. I never thought he would be a good QB in this league, not once did I think that. I could tell that he was way over hyped based on the program and the coach because his play never came close to being 1st round worthy. I have taking a lot of time in watching his college games and I'm still convinced he is going to do great things in the NFL. He is deserving of being the number 1 pick in this draft. Hands down.
Its funny how divided the views/sides are here. Each side gets more entrenched in their views as the argument continues. One side thinks Geno is terrible and many of the QBs in this class would most definitely be an upgrade, while the other thinks Geno is a possible answer to the QB position and most, if not all the QB in this class would not be an upgrade. I dont really see either side being correct, but thats just me. Out of all of the positions in the draft, the QB position is yet again the most talked about here. Shocking, and silly IMO.
Yeah but some of the comparisons are comical. I think the lines are split- if you don't want to draft a QB this is an awful draft class- if you want to draft a QB this is a strong draft class. But what I think is undeniable is that this class is so much stronger and deeper than last years. Last year was not the year to draft a QB. This year is. _
I'm not entrenched on one side or the other. I still like Geno and think he will develop into a quality starter, but think there are 2 QBs in this draft who could very likely be better QBs (Bridgewater and Garoppolo), and who may be better (Carr). One never has enough QBs. If Bridgewater fell to #18, I'd take him in a NY minute. Similarly, if Garoppolo is there in the 4th round (and quite possibly at the 2nd pick of the 3rd round), I'd take him in a NY minute as well. If Geno struggled this season and didn't look to be the long-term answer at starter, and the Jets had Garoppolo or Bridgewater sitting in their pocket, they wouldn't have to worry. If both developed then they could keep the best one and trade the other for a boatload of picks. I think even when a team clearly has a franchise QB it doesn't hurt to continue to take a QB in almost every draft. They're at a premium and always have value. They can always be traded, and QBs do get injured.
I dont think this class is all its hyped up to be, honestly. I love Teddy, and like Manziel and Carr a good amount. I dont understand Bortles being ranked inside the top 5- he's very raw in terms of mechanics and footwork and him being drafted this high would mostly be due to his size and athletic ability. After them I dont think its that strong. Garoppolo is a nice prospect, but he's about as good as it gets for a mid round prospect and he played for Eastern Illinois. All of the top 4 prospects have their flaws, even Teddy as much as I like him. Teddy is undersized, Manziel is undersized and who knows if his style of play translates, Carr throws 50 screen passes a game and can sometimes fold under pressure, and Bortles Ive already talked about. Last years class wasnt a strong one, but Geno was a solid prospect, even compared to this class, and we got him in the 2nd round with little monetary investment. Who knows, one of the top 4 QB prospects could be chewed apart during the draft process and go from a seemingly top 15 pick to a 2nd round pick like Geno was. This is the year to surround a QB with talent. Not draft a QB. If Geno fails, then you move on and Im sure many will fall in love with the next years class because the future class always seems better.
I would without a doubt draft Teddy if he fell in the 1st, but thats about it really (and I think there's no chance of that happening at all). Id like Garoppolo in the middle rounds, but he will most likely end up being just a very good backup.
I still don't get the Bortles hype, haven't seen much of him but apparently folks more knowledgable than us thinks he's the real deal or has the potential to be the real deal. But look at the crap from last year-excluding Geno who is clearly a stud- but EJ Manuel looks like a Logan Thomas who's a late round pick this year. Glennon is the only decent one out of the bunch and he's mediocre. Nassib? As much as I love what he did for my Orangemen he is not an NFL QB. Tyler Wilson, one of the highest rated QBs didn't even make it out of camp. Barkley is awful. Folks here wanted to take Bray in the 4th and he didn't even get drafted and Dysert in the 5th and he went in the 7th. Landry Jones? Sean Renfree? BJ Daniels? Sorensen? Total crap. The whole draft class-other than Geno of course- was awful. This year you have Teddy, Manziel, Carr, Bortles, McCarron, Mettenberger, Murray, Garapolo, Fales, Boyd, Brett Smith. All of them better than most of the QBs last year. You may not like some of them-or if you're one poster you don't like any of them- but you'd have to agree its a stronger deeper class. I'd put guys like Stephen Morris and Logan Thomas and Renner in with the likes of last years QBs. _
All things being equal the Jets would be better off with Teddy Bridgewater as the QB instead of Geno. That's with every other factor being equal. It's true because Bridgewater is a somewhat better prospect than Geno, if remarkably similar in many ways. The thing is that all other things are not equal. The Jets are likely better off with Geno plus an elite offensive play maker on the 18 than they would be with Teddy Bridgewater and no play maker on the 18. The Jets chances to win a Super Bowl with Geno next year are low, however they are almost non-existent with Bridgewater because no rookie QB has ever gotten too, let alone won, a Super Bowl. The Jets cap situation is better with Geno as a 2nd round pick than it would be with Bridgewater as a 1st round pick. So all things considered the Jets are probably better off with Geno next year than they likely would be with Bridgewater. They're certainly not worse off and that's true even if Bridgewater falls into our laps at 18. Now, the scenario in which taking Bridgewater or Manziel maybe makes sense on the 18 is the scenario in which the 4 elite play makers on offense are all gone by the time the 18 rolls around. All the elite OT prospects are gone. All the elite OLB and S prospects are gone. If Bridgewater or Manziel falls to the 18 and the other choice is another defensive lineman or a second-tier offensive play maker, well then the Jets might well be better off taking the QB to increase the chances that they have the franchise QB on the team. That's adding one of those guys to Geno and making the position a really competitive strength on the team.
Even if Garoppolo winds up, as you say, just being a very good backup, that's nothing to sneeze at. How many teams have those? I think a mid-3rd round pick or a mid-4th round pick is reasonable for a very good backup QB. I can understand your aversion to using a pick that high on him, but I think it would be a good investment, as I think he has a chance to be more than just a very good backup. I agree that there's no way Teddy falls, unfortunately.
I say that regardless, all things are equal. Now I don't think there's any chance that Teddy will fall to #18, but if he did, the Jets would have to take him. They've admitted that they're not sold on Geno. THE most important player on any team is the QB, bar none. This is even more true, when you're talking about a potential franchise QB. If Teddy fell and the Jets took a TE or WR instead, it would be akin to passing on Marino again or passing on Sapp. I'd want everyone from Rex up fired. The Jets chances of winning the SB next year are all but non-existent, period. Even if they shore up their OL in FA and sign Byrd at FS, get Evans at #18 and Amaro or S-J fall and the Jets are able to nab one of them in the 2nd round, are able to get a good CB prospect in the 3rd round, Attaochu in the 4th, plus other good picks who all make the team, football players often take a year or two to develop. The Jets aren't drafting for just the 2014 season. They're drafting for the next 5-10 seasons. Even if they took Teddy at #18, they could still possibly get Beckham or Matthews in the 2nd, Fiedorowicz in the 3rd, and maybe a Devin Street, Matt Hazel, or Josh Huff later on. They could also have signed Decker or Maclin and a TE in FA. Just because they took Teddy, doesn't mean they wouldn't get any offensive playmakers to surround him.
