hurling insults really helps your argument. Reggie in the same # of years had 12 DD sack seasons- DOUBLE what Strahan had but yeah they were neck and neck and reggie made it b/c of how he played the run:rofl2: fan vote counts for one third so he got snubbed by "experts". The point is pass rushers are judged on getting to the passer. Shaun Ellis was excellent against the run, is he going to the HOF?
Reggie White is considered the best DE of all time. It was sarcasm silly. White, Smith and Strahan are the top 3 DE's of the modern era because of how the played both the run and pass. Playing the run is considered part of being a football player. No one considered Reggie or Bruce as only pass rushing specialists. Those guys dont get in. You wont see John Abraham in the HOF. Double digit sack seasons isn't a water mark of anything. It's just a number you're using to justify some silly bias against Strahan. Kevin Greene isnt in the HOF because he didnt play the run.
please don't ever put Strahan in the same sentence as White and Smith again. DD sack #s are very important, it shows how much of a compiler Strahan was not dominant like a HOFer should be.
Kevin Greene should be in the Hall and definitely deserves it over Strahan but when he gets elected tell me how many people are discussing how he played run.
How is Strahan a compiler? What about his career made him a compiler? That doesnt make any sense at all.
Greene wont be elected because of how he played the run. JUst like John Abraham wont be either. Chris Doleman and Michael Strrahan were better football players than Kevin Greene.
Green was a one dimensional player he won't get in. HOF isn't as stat/sack conscious as you. If they were Gastineau and Greene would be in as one trick ponies. Strahan was an excellent all around player. No one cares about double digit sack seasons aside from you.
Greene will make it. Gastineau isn't going in b/c he didn't do it at a high level long enough and quit b/c of steroids. Greene had 669 tackles, Strahan 667 both played 15 years, Greene had 10 DD sack seasons, Strahan 6. the average fan cares about compiled #s, I understand that. if it isn't all about pass rushing how come Strahan never made an all pro team in any year he didn't have DD sacks?
Why are you using double digit sack seasons as a benchmark for anything? Because Strahan's sack numbers fluctuated a bit more that makes him less of a player? Voters arent sitting there and saying you need X amount of double digit sack seasons to make the HOF. Only you are. Voters also consider how well rounded of a player you are- Strahan as pass rusher combined with his run stopping ability was a dominant football player.
yes, an elite guy should be getting DD sacks on a regular basis. voters are looking at compiled #s and a sham sack record which is why he will get in.
everyone compiles #'s...I dont get what that means He has a 9 and a 9.5 sack season...the difference between that and 10 apparently tips the scales? Who cares.
Strahan should never appear in the same sentence as White or Smith. not anywhere near the same league. He wasn't a guy who could play in any scheme, and any position on the line. He also wasn't that good against the run imo, especially later in his career teams would run right at him. He wasn't consistently ripping thru double teams. The all time sack numbers will earn him a spot in the HOF. However it really is his media notoriety that will make it happen much sooner than later.
He was up there though. As a complete defensive end he's behind White and Smith but he's the clear #3 imo. He was a 4-3 defensive end like Smith and White. I don't care what scheme he could or couldnt play in, that's not the criteria. His overall play will earn him a trip to Canton. If it was just sack numbers Greene would be in. The HOF doesnt like one trick ponies.
White and Smith weren't just 4-3 DE pass rushers. hell White was possibly the most dominant in Buddy Ryan's D. He could play, and did play, any assignment effectively. Smith played most of his career as a 3-4 end, and STILL racked up sack numbers like that. That's my point. Strahan is a one trick pony compared to those guys, and wasn't anywhere near as good at that trick as they were. No way is he a #3.. I'd rate him more similar to Kevin Greene.
Strahan was as good against the run as he was rushing the passer. I've never heard Strahan being referred to as a one trick pony ever.Will give you this the only guy I ever saw give both Reggie and Strahan issues was Erik Williams. If it werent for the accident he could have been the best ever.
I found Strahan to be a complete end. He was pretty good against the run and pass. He was not great at either. Being good at both and playing on two Super Bowl teams, winning one Super Bowl and playing for the Giants will add up to him being inducted. There is no doubt he will make it in. As for being the #3 end of the past quarter century, I am not sure about that. He is behind Bruce Smith and Reggie White for sure. I am not sure who I would put at #3. I will have to think about that.
well he wasn't a one trick pony. i say that only in comparison to the versatility of White and Smith. White was damn near unstoppable in all facets, and the best I've ever seen. Smith was right up there as well. Strahan was never in that league.....not even close imo. i get your point though. playing the run is an important criteria. While Strahan was way better at rushing the passer than defending the run, he could play the run especially early in his career. Add that to his all time sack numbers, and the single season sack record (even tho its a sham, was still a great season), and i think he has enough to warrant HOF. It's close though. He's not a slam dunk, and certainly no #3 as you are claiming. He'll get in likely this year rather than waiting due to his notoriety. It's the media that votes you in, and he is firmly entrenched in that business.
