Official 2013-2014 College Basketball Thread

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  1. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    That's the problem, it shouldn't be Carolina basketball, but it is. I watch a lot of Carolina games, too. Whether UNC is good or shitty, they're always on, and they take a lot of mid-range shots.

    And if you don't know what the difference between a shot around the rim and from deeper areas inside the arc, I can't help you. Sure, there is a gray area, but for the most part, it's pretty black and white.
     
  2. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Carolina basketball under Roy is about pushing the ball, attacking the rim and getting to the FT line. Please don't tell me what Carolina basketball is about.

    Stop posting nonsensical out of context #s and watch games. you are better than that.
     
  3. TheCoolerGlennFoley

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    Tough win for 'Nova at G'town last night. Someone posted this on a board that I felt was perfectly said: "Two wins on the road in 3 days at 2 places that we struggle to win at, against 2 teams trying to save their seasons with marque wins.".
     
  4. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    'Nova has not been playing well but they have been gutting out wins, that's usually a good sign.
     
  5. MParty7441

    MParty7441 Well-Known Member

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    McDermott is by the far the best player in CBB. He has like 40 tonight against SJU. The guy has not missed a shot. It's unreal.
     
  6. kbgreen

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    http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/28/us/ncaa-athletes-unc/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    UNC: We failed students 'for years'

    (CNN) -- The University of North Carolina failed some of its students "for years" by allowing them to take classes that did not match its own academic standards, Chancellor Carol Folt has admitted.

    The concession -- the strongest since UNC-Chapel Hill was caught up in a fake-class scandal two years ago -- comes just weeks after a CNN investigation found continuing problems at UNC and other public universities where some student-athletes could read only at an elementary school level.

    Two years ago, it was exposed that UNC students, many of them athletes, were given grades for classes they did not attend and for which they did nothing beyond turning in a single paper. One professor has been indicted on fraud charges for being paid for a class he didn't teach.

    The university has always maintained it was an isolated case, but Folt is now acknowledging a broader problem.

    "We also accept the fact that there was a failure in academic oversight for years that permitted this to continue," Folt told UNC trustees last week.

    "This, too, was wrong. And it has undermined our integrity and our reputation."


    Junc - did UNC already get sanctions for this already?
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    nope and nowhere has there ever been any evidence it happened w/ the basketball team.
     
  8. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    That's because they put a stop to the professor who was researching it!
     
  9. kbgreen

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    CNN investigated the issue of poor academics among student football and basketball players after a researcher at UNC revealed that some could not read well enough to follow news coverage about themselves or even read the word "Wisconsin."

    It looks like that has changed. At least according to this article.
     
  10. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    That is combining 2 different articles, UNC already debunked the previous one at least basketball wise.
     
  11. kbgreen

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    I took it from the same article but I think your saying that CNN combined two articles. Good luck with it.

    These days it's almost impossible for a school to be perfectly clean. All schools have skeletons in their closet. There is just too much money evolved for there not to be.
     
  12. asbcheeks

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    Claims that this scandal doesn't touch the bball team are preposterous. The UNC bball team was funneled through fraudulent AFAM classes for years.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/20100402/SPORTS0609/4020331/

    "North Carolina, which has the most Final Four appearances and players during the time measured, had the fourth-highest graduation rate of its Final Four players -- 79 percent.

    But the university's graduates -- and most notably its 2005 NCAA championship team -- raise questions about "clustering."

    Simply put, clustering is when a high percentage of teammates receive the same degree. Among North Carolina's graduates, communications and Afro-American and African studies stand out as the majors of choice.

    From the 2005 team, all seven Tar Heels who graduated had the same major -- Afro-American and African studies.

    That includes Sean May of the Sacramento Kings, the Bloomington prep star and son of former IU star Scott May. Sean May entered the NBA after three years in college, capped by an NCAA title in 2005. He graduated last summer.

    May said he started as a double major with communications, but dropped it so he could graduate faster after leaving for the NBA.

    Afro-American and African studies, May said, offered "more independent electives, independent study. I could take a lot of classes during the season. Communications, I had to be there in the actual classroom. We just made sure all the classes I had to take, I could take during the summer.""

    From the 2009 team, Tyler Hansbrough took THREE YEARS WORTH of Swahili in AFAM:

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/new...-an-interesting-case/?preventMobileRedirect=1

    My question is why would someone like junc who has no affiliation with the school other than being a lifetime fan of their basketball team even remotely care about these types of accusations. As long as banners keep getting hung, who cares about what it's doing to the academic reputation of the school?
     
  13. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    so what? nowhere have they been implicated. is it any different than duke funneling guys through their sociology program?

    I care b/c I want the teams I root for to win the right way, it's not just about championships. I became a fan b/c Carolina has always done things the right way, there was no better man than Dean Smith and I believe Roy does it the same way. Until this is proven and not just accusations I won't believe it but I am sure you will just like you ignore Lance Thomas, Maggette, Avery, sociology and everything else at duke.
     
  14. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    The issue is this probably happens in a lot of places, I don't know but the argument I hear as to why players should get paid is because they are student -athletes in name only and the schools they attend don't actually allow them to be students because they are busy forcing these kids to make money for the school by playing football or basketball. My guess is at a school like Stanford or Notre Dame the athletes actually have to be students but at a place like Auburn or Texas Tech that's not the case.
     
  15. asbcheeks

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    I took a soc class at Duke, it was one of the easier classes I took there, no question. I also took BS stuff like to Intro to Jazz (which I took with Jason Williams and Mike Dunleavy) and a writing seminar on sports history (which I took with Carlos Boozer). There are easier and tougher courses of study at every school in the country.

    The difference between a Soc major or a softball humanities course at Duke, compared with the no-show AFAM classes basketball players at Carolina were funneled to for years, is that you actually had to attend class and produce work on a college level to get a passing grade. They were easy when compared to other courses of study, but they still required effort and a commitment to show up and do the work.

    In addition, unlike AFAM at UNC, I don't believe any proof has been brought forward of hundreds of unauthorized grade changes in Duke's Sociology department. But feel free to continue disparaging an "easy" major at Duke by comparing it to a documented fraud so extreme that even Carolina's chancellor had to apologize for it today: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/28/us/ncaa-athletes-unc/
     
  16. kbgreen

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    SU played like crap but pulled out another win tonight over Wake (at wake).

    Ennis turned his ankle so I hope he is able to go Saturday. Sometimes this team plays ugly, they just seem to wear the other teams down. Wake could not deal with SU's size. They out rebounded Wake by 20 (55 to 35). The one thing to note is without D Coleman we are short at center. Wake is the second team lately to just run at our centers forcing SU into foul trouble.
     
  17. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    what proof about basketball players?

    I see your excuses, I don't buy them but I see them.
     
  18. TheCoolerGlennFoley

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    I'm not saying this is a big deal or a scandal, but I would stick to the "there's no proof yet" defense. Saying everybody is doing it is a cop out.
     
  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Florida freshman Chris Walker made eligible.

    The NCAA determined all of this was worth $270 yet PJ Hairston drives around in rental cars and he's done.

    Just amazing.
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    putting the other nonsense aside, nice win for the Heels last night. It was originally supposed to be on espn2 but w/ the weather in the Atlanta area they had to cancel the broadcast so they put it on espn3 w/ Ga tech feed so I missed the first half but they played excellent in the 2nd half and knocked down FTs the last 3 mins as they were being intentionally fouled. If they shot Fts like they have most of year they could have lost but they did a great job at the line. Beat NC State on sat and they are back to .500 and getting the season back on track.
     

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