I have not had his specific injury,.. So I honestly can't say with 100% certainty. But I also know that players play through injury and gut out plays to the whistle. From my own experience ( and I'm well aware this means nothing ) playing soccer I shattered my ankle in a slide tackle, and my first instinct was to stand up and try and take the next step and collect the ball. Holmes flips the ball into the air almost directly to the CB after never attempting to get back up or maintain possession of the ball. It's as if the ball didn't exist as soon as he got injured. I'm not ragging on the guy for getting hurt, it happens, But you have to play to the whistle and play hard for the ball. At the very least make sure you're down, if you gave two shits at all about the team you would make damn sure you don't hand the ball off to the other team. Team players do what it takes, We should have never let Jericho walk. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81c1b0b5/Injured-Cotchery-makes-clutch-catch
biggest game of the year romo led his O to 3 pts. if we don't give up a 99 yd TD pass on 3rd and 9 maybe mark does help us win a SB? that play changed the game and seasons for both teams. Flacco had better #s w/ more talent around him. Doesn't mean he was better. Bal easily makes the playoffs in all those seasons w/ Mark and they make a SB run in at least one of them. we don't have the edge in RBs, Bradshaw was better than anyone we had. it's close but certainly doesn't make up for any edge the giants had. mark has never had weapons like Eli. 15 and 16 INTs the previous 2 years are high #s for a vet like Eli. '09- 22 TOs '10- 30 TOs '11- 20 TOs '12- 16 TOs '13- 29 TOs ONE season w/o at least 20 TOs. That's not good. The Jets had SB caliber talent in 2008 w/ a HOF QB and didn't make the playoffs. Remember we lost our best defensive player at the time(Kris Jenkins) and best playmaker on O(Leon) during the 2009 season so I don't know if we had SB talent. Maybe in 2010. Name me 10 better groups of WRs than Eli had this year? do you watch other QBs? 90% of them make boneheaded plays once in a while. at Den 2011, after INT led us to FG to take lead, D allowed QB who can't throw to go 95 yds in the final minutes. D allows 20+ play drive w/ jets in lead in 3rd/4th at Miami. 2012 he had no help, throw that year out. when Chaz Schilens is starting that's not good. focus less on 2012 and more on 2009-2011 where he was good overall.
any other team and that play is whistled dead b/c Holmes gave himself up, the reason the Giants made the playoffs in 2011 was b/c they said cruz gave himself up on a fumble.
I honestly think the determining factor is that he threw it directly to the other team. If that ball pops out on the ground they blow it dead 10/10 times ( ground caused fumble kind of thing ). Holmes basically turned it into an interception ( since the ball never touched the ground ). I understand the sour taste, I really do. Last season was as painful for me as it was for any Jets fan. I have a really hard time holding anything in 2012 against him TBH. There's a reason neither Sporano or Tebow are holding their respective positions anymore. The entire team was a mess. Sanchez held up through all of that and came into camp ready to play and aside from 1 bad play ( jitters on the opening play of the season? ) put together a really solid camp. I was really hopeful for Sanchez making strides this season before the injury and I think he did this offseason. I still believe he has a chance to succeed in this system, but people refuse to believe that because there was no "public" announcement that Sanchez won the starting job in TC, So now he sucks even worse. The media has really turned this fan base to shit.
I agree with the points you made in response. I never said Sanchez didn't try to make lemonade...but Geno being a dumbass doesn't make Sanchez smarter. I don't blame Sanchez for the sorry state of the Jets the last few years. There's too much blame to go around. Sanchez should have told Rex to fuck off when he was told to play in that pre-season Giants game. I swear that was the dumbest thing Rex ever did.
Pete Carrol is now endorsing Sanchez. I really hope we hang on to him at a much lower price. See what he's got now.
for the last time, we don't HAVE to know what he's got now, we KNOW what he's got. What the hell are we gonna learn about him by brining him back that hasn't been discovered already? I know right? "Oh Sanchez? he sucks balls! I hated working with him in the past and I bet he gets himself cut from a pop warner team next year." :rofl2: I wouldn't be surprised if the team traded backups at all. Not literally trade mind you ,but that Sanchez winds up in seattle and Jackson gets signed by the jets.
I lost my post because it logged out. Quick responses, I am comparing seasons if we replace Mark. You are taking the silly argument "if we substitute Mark's best game here, this team would be better off" That's dumb. You said Mark with more offensive talent would win more games. That to me means you replace Mark with the QB for the whole season and 2009 Mark does not win more games on the 2008, 2009, 2010 Ravens, 2007 or 2011 Giants, or 2009 onwards Cowboys. The more interesting case is 2010 or 2011 Mark Sanchez. But then again, like I said the 2010 Jets offensively were more talented than the 2008/2009 Ravens and maybe the 2010 Ravens. The 2010 Jets overall are even or slightly better than the 2011 Giants group. LT and Greene and Brad Smith had more YPC than the Giants equivalent #1,#2,#3 RB in 2011. The Jets TE played and receiving help from the RB was greater than the 2011 Giants equivalent. The only edge the Giants have are on the #1 and #2 WR which is not enough to mean they were more talented than the #3 WR, #1 TE, #1,#2,#3 rushing players to me. Broncos WR, MIA WR, TEN WR, IND WR (if Wayne is healthy), PHI WR, DAL WR, CHI WR, DET WR, GB WR, NO WR, PIT WR, CIN WR. Those are easily better than Giants WR this year to me. Then if we add in RB and TE who can catch, SD jumps them too with a couple other teams. The media hasn't been great, but Sanchez has not played consistently well since the middle of 2011. That's now over 2 seasons ago. That's the problem, the last "good" thing Sanchez left us was maybe a comeback against Buffalo in the middle of 2011. Besides that, nothing consistently positive. That's why fans attitudes have turned south on Sanchez. On top of that his contract was keeping us tied down with too much money and that's why fans are frustrated. The other frustrating thing is people acting like they know Sanchez is going to be ready and play well. I'm sure you are frustrated when people just say he's going to suck, it's the same thing the other way. Sanchez is one of the most inconsistent QBs in the league. The bad part for him is in 2012 he became more consistent, consistently bad. He has a lot of basic things he has to work on. Coming off of an injury too. People act like we are going to get a mix of 2011/2010 Sanchez, but remember, that's 2.5 years ago. There's no guarantee we get great Sanchez. And that was when the Jets were talented. I know people want to throw out the lack of talent in 2012, but 2012 happened for Sanchez. He made bad throws, he second guessed himself, he lost track of games, he got hit a lot, he got benched, he got booed. It all happened and it will impact his future. We can argue about why he regressed in 2012, but he regressed and it happened. It means we are basically back to square 1 with Sanchez coming off an injury. For me, I think it's best for his career to get out of NY. For the Jets they need a QB, but sticking with Sanchez is playing with fire. If Idzik/Rex stick with Sanchez, and Sanchez plays poorly (50% chance, 2 poor years, 2 slightly above average, years) Rex is gone. He's done. He stuck with the old regime QB and failed again. Idzik would also have made a HUGE mistake too on his record. If the Jets do resign Sanchez, I see the value. Buy low on a player that they think have potential, but let's not all pretend that means he's going to magically turn around because of 50 pass attempts in the preseason in 2013.
You want to keep his contract? Or are you saying cut him and not resigning him would be them mistake. If I'm reading the cap page correctly we save 8 million dollars cutting him and then we can resign him for much less.
he's making 40 million during 3 years, about 13 million next season. the money doesn't go away it just shuffles forward.Gonna have to overpay him one year or extend him to do that. doesn't sound like something the jets should do....
Id be worried if he hit the open market, a guy with his accomplishments has never hit free agency (4 road playoff wins).
where did I say "If we substitute his best games..."? you are making things up. we weren't more talented, you have to factor in health/suspensions and their D was better than our D which makes up for any perceived differences on O. Mia WR were not better, Wayne wasn't healthy so take Indy out, Philly? Nope, Dallas? Nope, det? they have the best but not much else so nope, GB? if they were healthy maybe but they weren't, pitt? nope, Cincy? close. You are convincing me their Wrs were closer to top 5 than top 10.
For one, he is coming off a reconstructive arm surgery. I've had that same exact surgery. Whether it is for the better or not, a lot of times you come back even stronger, which was the case for me and could be the case for him. He has more experience in the league and has had the time to sit back and assess his game, like Carroll stated. He is a driven kid who works hard at his position. We all know what he CAN do with weapons around him. 2 AFC Championship game appearances with GREAT numbers in the post season. I would definitely like to see him under Marty's offense with weapons. Being under MM offense is something that I would absolutely love to see. Something I was definitely looking forward to.
I don't have advanced knowledge of NFL contracts. Is it not true that both the player and the team can agree on a lower number and tear up the old contract assuming both parties agree to do so? Or would we have to cut him pay the penalties and then re-sign him via FA?
