Just read this thread for the first time (musta been hibernating last February) and I have to say that Bill Parcells was clearly a Hall of Fame head coach. He took the sad sack Giants to two Super Bowl titles. Yeah, George Young was an equal part of that but Young is in the Hall as he should be. The NFL during the 80's was no picnic to coach in. There was one dynasty in the NFC East opposite the Giants in the Redskins. There was a dynasty in San Francisco that might have been the greatest of all time. There was another team out there in Oakland that was winning titles based on their owner and coach. There were Da Bearss in da middle of da decade. Navigating the Giants to two titles was an extraordinary accomplishment.
It's not even debatable, BP is all time great HC and deserved his HOF spot. He's a mediocre GM type but as a coach turned around numerous franchises. I am not looking forward to this years vote b/c the undeserving Michael Strahan will get in b/c he's a media god right now.
5th all-time in career sacks (with 6 of the top 10 already in the HOF, 2 others are in-eligible/still active), 7-time pro bowler, SB title, single-season sack leader, defensive player of the year, etc. etc. etc.... and he is "undeserving"? What the hell else did he have to do? you wouldn't happen to be letting your Giants hatred-bias creep in on this one would you?
compiler- played 15 seasons, only had 6 double digit sack seasons 5th all time b/c sack wasn't official stat until 1982. Sham sack record, we all know he's not the real record holder. got DPOY award based on sham sack record. leader of some of the biggest choking D's of all time. Did win SB when he had Osi and Tuck taking all the pressure off him and those guys won another one w/o Strahan. I despise the Giants but I also think the best defensive player of all time is Lawrence Taylor so I can separate my personal thoughts on the team. 6 DD sack seasons in 15 years, 40% rest of top 10: Bruce Smith: 13 in 19 yeas, 68% Reggie White: 12 in 15, 80% Kevin Greene: 10 in 15 years, 67% Chris Doleman: 8 in 15, 53% Jason Taylor- won't make HOF. 6 in 15, 40% John Randle: 9 in 14 years, 64%(as interior DL) Richard Dent: 8 in 15, 53% LT: 7 in 12 years, 59% which 2 don't belong w/ the rest? Strahan is going in for a few reasons: 1. sham sack record 2. his popularity in the media now 3. leaving w/ the SB 4. jon Runyan
WOW what a dumbass post. I hate Strahan and the Giants too, but holy shit Junc. This is a terrible attempt. - His popularity with the media must not be that influential - he didn't go in last year. - Within the same hour you make the argument that the defense was the reason the '07 Giants won it all and not the QB, now you don't want to give credit to their best defensive player and call him leader of the biggest choking D of all-time? but he wasn't of the SB winning D, one that shut down the greatest offense in NFL history to win it all? What in the fuck. -some of the other shit is just pathetic too, I cannot believe I even am responding to it. Should we say Bruce Smith doesn't deserve the hall b/c he got to play against Siupeli Malamala or whatever slap dick OLmen our Jets had in the 1990s? that would be silly. Should we say ANY of those guys you mention don't deserve the hall because they didn't start keeping sack statistics until 1982? No, it would be silly to hold it against them. I disliked him as a player as well but I would be stupid to say he doesn't deserve the hall. He has the statistics, the history of consistency, the title and he even passes the eye test. In his era, he was the most dominant pass rusher in the game. He deserves the hall. I know you like to argue stupid shit, but give this one up Junc because it's pathetic.
His popularity is why he will make it. if he was mark Gastineau w/ the same resume he wouldn't be going in. he wasn't their best defensive player in 2007, when he was they rarely won playoff games. Did Bruce make his name against Malamala or someone like that? did bruce have 40% DD sack seasons? did any of those guys besides the undeserving Jason Taylor have less than 50% DD sack seasons? Pretty compelling argument you make:lol:
Taylor will get to the HOF imo. Strahan's a no brainer. Strahan and Gastineau were completely different players.
Taylor will not make it, Strahan does not belong but will make it. I am not saying Gastineau was better but the point is Gastineau was hated and Strahan is now loved(everyone forgets how he treated the media as a player) b/c of the TV stuff he does.
If Strahan isnt a HOF'er then no defensive ends are. The guy was a top 3 complete DE of the modern era. Before he lost the weight when he got older he was as good against the run on the outside as any player in the league. He was a dominant player. You have a bizarre take on football to say the least. Could care less how he treated the media. He was a better player than Haley was and he actually was hated by the media.
pass rushers aren't judged by how the play the run, they are judged on getting to the passer. he compiled great final stat #s but only 6 DD sack seasons in 15 years isn't HOF quality. Throw in the sham sack record, leader of 2 of the biggest chokes in postseason history('97 Min, '02 at SF) and he doesn't belong. The Hall is watered down anyway, they let too many really good players in but it should be for the best of the best.
dude what in gods name are you talking about. Strahan's ability to play the run is meaningless when considering him for the HOF? wha?
Im saying Haley was a compiler, Strahan wasn't. Strahan wasnt just a pass rusher. Pigeon holing his career as a one trick pass rush specialist is absurd.
Haley a compiler? he was a starter for 8 seasons, had 5 DD sack seasons. last 3 seasons he hung and had 4 total sacks. how was he a compiler? pass rushers are judged on getting to the passer, he's not going in b/c he was good against the run. he's going in b/c of the sacks. Wilkerson was great this year against the run, know why he didn't make the pro bowl? b/c he didn't have a ton of sacks.
pass rushers are judged on getting to the QB, w/o the compiled sack totals he isn't anywhere near the HOF no matter how good he was against the run.
