I think this thread is more about the fall of this QB class than about the Jets drafting a QB. And it is true, the hype has faded.
It's become obvious that there's no #1 caliber player at QB in this draft. That doesn't mean that Bridgewater or Manziel won't get taken first just that they're not the caliber of prospect that deserves the choice. Teddy Bridgewater is Matt Ryan. Somewhat different player but same talent level. Top 10 player but not the 1 pick by a long shot. Ryan was over-drafted by the Falcons but he's worked out well because they surrounded him with so much talent (trade up for Jones, got Gonzalez for him, etc) that he was going to succeed and do very well. Johnny Manziel is Drew Brees. Again somewhat different player but that's his potential talent level. Brees is playing at his absolute ceiling right now and has been for 5+ years. No way he was this good coming out of school which is why he slid to the top of the 2nd. Blake Bortles is like every other god forsaken QB coming out of school with a moniker that makes you think he just can't miss. For my money he's Browning Nagle but you can basically envision just about anybody you want as his template and double-vision yourself into buying the hype. Bortles got a 2nd round grade from the NFL draft advisory council. He could go #1 if the right idiot has the pick. Derek Carr is like Landry Jones and probably has the same chance of being a good QB. That's not an insubstantial chance btw, Carr and Jones could be in the NFL's elite QB cadre in 5 years if things go just right for them. They could also be career backups who couldn't get by the one thing that floored them. It's just so silly at this point. Everybody got so hyped up about this being the year of the QB that the reality is like a cold splash of water in the face. Shocking and a bit disconcerting when it lands and making people very nervous about what these guys are really all about in the aftermath.
Again, this is a GREAT year for QBs. Let's wait for the real experts to decide--like when these guys get drafted by real GMs and by real FOs and real teams, not by some fake wannabees or internet know-it-alls. Suggesting that reports posted by some draft sites saying Teddy isn't a top top top prospect is foolish if he gets drafted 1 or 2. Those guys are selling papers and blogs and magazines, they aren't trying to build winning franchises. _
Geno played pretty damn well with what he had to work with.. If we got some offensive firepower and he still can't figure it out, then we absolutely need to move on... Sanchez had Braylon, Cotch, Holmes, Keller, and Tomlinson his 2nd year and still couldn't figure it out.
Draft sites, draft blogs, draft magazines, talking heads on ESPN, CBSSports et al are not draft experts--they are draft guessers. Educated guessers, but guessers nonetheless. There may be sites suggesting Teddy isn't a top pick yet 10 other mock drafters having him going 1 or 2 or 3. There are another few that have Manziel going 1 or 2. It's all BS until the real draft happens. Nothing is "obvious" because everything you hear, everything you read--is pure bullshit. It's folly. It's for the naive. Nobody knows anything and if you did--if you were actually associated with a real team--you aren't saying anything. If you don't want to draft a QB you hate this class. If you want to draft a QB you love this class. What cannot be disputed is that last year was not the year to draft a QB, this is the year instead. _
2 things. 1. Explain the term "pretty damn well" when he was the worst QB in all of football. And don't give me the "he had no talent" line--it's an awful excuse. 2. The idea is not to find a QB BETTER than Sanchez--the idea is to once and for all find a true franchise QB, one that can throw a pretty ball but also has the football IQ to put it all together. _
those "real experts" drafted such hits as: ryan leaf jamarcus russell akili smith tim couch blain gabbert christian ponder i think its ok for the rest of us to speculate what we think of the qb class
Well first off, the guy had a revolving door of receivers week in and week out so it's very hard to build chemistry like that... Throwing the ball to Salas and Sudfeld... Enough said.. He deff had some bad games, but he showed glimpses of very good play, notably the Falcon game, Patriot game in New England before the interceptions at the end, at Miami, and home against Buffalo.. The "he had no talent" line is not a bad excuse at all... He had one reciever that was capable of getting any kind of separation in Kerley... Hill can't run a route to save his life... Salas is explanation enough... Nelson showed glimpses but he is a #4 at best.. Cumberland played great the beginning of the season and then disappeared completely... Holmes..................... Another reason for his bad play was the playcalling... They ask the guy to throw on first and second down almost always, when they should be pounding the ball away with Ivory to get Geno in more manageable situations.... 3rd and 2 is much easier than 3rd and 8... I am not trying to make excuses for the guy because he deff made some boneheaded plays... The guy would miss a wide open reciever multiple times a game, and often throw the ball into triple coverage.. With that being said, he is a rookie and by the last quarter of the season it looked like the game was slowing down for him and he was making his reads much faster. With a full offseason to work with Marty, I fully expect him to look much more polished next season.
I get we're all Jet fans and I'm not allowed to say this but the farther we get from the end of the season, the better and better and better those last few games seem to get. They took the ball out of his hands and he threw for under 220 yards twice and under 200 yards twice. The only thing he didn't do was turn the ball over. Twice he was at 55% or less. I didn't see that as the game slowing down for him but rather them putting the shackles on him. _
Feel free to speculate all you want. It's an Internet fan forum, no right or wrong opinions. All those fake experts were right in line with those picks. _
so if the fake experts were in line with the real experts can't we assume they kinda know what they are talking about. i mean they did grade them the same right or wrong. maybe my logic is faulty here but if internet scout x says akili smith is the 3rd overall pick and the bengals make him the 3rd overall pick doesn't that mean internet scout x is grading the same as the teams? so if the same internet scout says teddy b isn't a top 10 talent i would think he has some credibilty.no?
You have that backwards so yes your logic is a tad faulty. The real experts are there in meetings and interviews and workouts and have professional scouts watching game film and attending games and practices and talking to scouts and are in the room at the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Game and the combine and in pro days and private workouts- you know the type of access fake Internet scouts don't have. Their grading has a basis in reality and due diligence. And even then they sometimes miss. Fake Internet scouts are just guessing and when they miss nobody remembers. They don't get fired because no team is counting on them and their guesses, if wrong, don't amount to anything. Same thing if they guess right. They don't have the access the pros have. Fake Internet scout may think Teddy is not a top 10 pick, and if he goes 1 or 2, nobody remembers what fake Internet scout said. And if he actually goes 10-15, one or 2 fake Internet scouts guessed right but 20 fake Internet scouts guessed wrong. Feel free to accept what fake Internet scouts say as fact, I just read them as another interesting data point. Of course, none of us are experts, but feel free to believe what you want. _
Sorry but the Drew Brees- Manziel assertion is asinine at best. Brees was a much better passer coming out of school compared to Manziel... The Manziel overhype is ridiculous, I have never heard of a fringe 3rd pick get hyped to the level of Manziel. Also Bridgewater has a much stronger arm than Matt Ryan btw
Matt Ryan had an incredibly weak arm coming out of BC and he wasn't very mobile or athletic. But he's 2-1/2 inches taller than Teddy. Bridgewater is the anti-Matt Ryan. Comparing the two is asinine. _
You add so much to the site. Your presence is a breath of fresh air. I'm so glad your back from your banning. :rofl2:
Why don't you try to add some football insight to the board instead of constantly being a jackass. If you don't like my posting style, put me on ignore. Otherwise piss off little boy. _
good to see your posting style and attitude changed a ton with your short break. its good to know they get longer and longer from here.
This means you can't fault Sanchez for his sucktitude in 2012 either. He had it worse. [Holmes was gone for season, if anything.] [I know your kind... 'BBBBBut Sanchez sucked for the past three years too!!' Let me tell you - he 1. never had a stable WR corp to play with and he had shaky protection up front a la WFH - which Geno never had to suffer. You - and the Genomes for that matter - keep shouting out 'Sanchez had everything and still sucked!' bullshit. Let me tell you. That applies to 2009 ONLY. He lost TJ and Faneca after 2009, then WFH tagged along after 2010. Back in 2012, he threw TD pass to JASON HILL for crying out loud. Now tell me Sanchez sucks.] That applies to 2011 season and 2012 season. [Remember Derek Mason fiasco?] Hell lot better than Sparano was if my memory serves me correct. Bull Fucking Shit. You ARE making excuses for that moron. But not Sanchez, right? These Genomes just never cease to amaze me.
