"Bad" or "good" are relative terms. I don't think that just because Powell, Ivory and the Jets were able to pile up some nice stats against poor run defenses means that they were a "good" OL. Similarly, just because they failed to be able to run the ball well against teams like the Panthers with excellent run defenses, doesn't mean they were necessarily "bad," but rather mediocre, average, or perhaps even "good," but just not "good enough." If the Jets want to have a consistently effective rushing attack or a "very good" OL or great OL, then I think they're probably going to have to replace every single starter within the next year or two. I've never thought that Brick was all that. He's always been mediocre or worse in blocking for the run imo. Winters was bad as a rookie. There's some hope for him at least. Mangold's play has obviously fallen off, and I have always thought that Jets fans way overrated him anyway. I've never thought he was the best center in the game. Howard's average or a little above average, but no where near the blocker that Woody was, and Colon is no Moore. Hopefully, Idzik and his new Scouting staff will be much better at identifying and drafting OL talent and can put together a topnotch OL without having to throw five #1 picks at the OL.
oh I didn't realize we only ran it well against poor run Ds. Carolina finished 2nd in rush yds allowed, they were 1st until we played them. They gave up a season high against us. Powell/Ivory averaged 5.4 YPC That kind of throws a wrench into that theory. If our Ol wasn't good we don't run the way we did most of the year especially w/ very little threat of a pass game. we beat 2 teams that played last week(one that will play this week) w/ no threat of a pass game where we ran, ran, ran and ran it more to win. w/ all that said our OL is clearly not the 2008 or 2009 Jets and we need to get better but to say we were bad I don't think is fair at all.
As always, you are too reliant on stats. The YPC don't necessarily mean anything. It looks good, but were the Jets consistently able to run the ball to get first downs when they wanted to? How often did the run the ball? Did they have a 100-yard rusher for the game? Did they get the lead and were they able then to run out the clock? Did they win? Besides, I said "like the Panthers" meaning a top-rated run defense. If the Jets had a great day against the Panthers, and the answers to most of my questions above are yes, then good for them. Were they able to do that consistently throughout the season? No. That's the more important fact.
haha, I'm too reliant on stats. That's pretty funny. did we have a bunch of 50-60 yd runs I am unaware of that could have skewed YPC? yes we were able to consistently run the ball for 1st downs in short yardage situations. who cares if we had a 100 yd rusher? we didn't have a workhorse who would get 25-30 carries a game. any time Ivory had 20 or more carries he had over 100 yds and any time besides one time he had 18 or more he had over 100 yds and Ivory's best game was the NE game where he averaged around 3 YPC b/c we kept giving it to him and he kept grinding out yds. Powell had an excellent week 17 game despite not a great YPC. In most game Ivory/Powell had at least 100 yds: at NE 25-100 Buf 32-154 vs. NE 37-110 NO 27-168 at Buf 20-125 at Car 19-103 Cle 27-163 we didn't get a lot of leads b/c we struggled in the pass game but we ran out the clock vs. Buf, ran it to win vs. NE, ran out the clock vs. NO, vs. Oak, vs. Cle, at Mia. Yes, they were able to run it pretty well most of the year but 2 things prevented a better year: 1) rookie QB who put them in bad spots and gave us pass game no one respected 2)pass happy OC
FWIW PFF has Ivory listed at 3rd in the league for average yards after contact at 3.0, with a total of 548 yards after contact. Powell is listed at 23rd in the league for AYAC with 2.2, and a total of 383 yards after contact. That would be more than half of each of their yardage totals being after contact, however PFF defines that.
Yes, that would fit with their rating of the OL being much lower than the total rushing stat and ranking of ypc average at ninth.
I'm not sure you can come to that conclusion without doing an analysis of every teams backs, which I certainly won't be doing.
Bah, PFF's stats are a little wishy washy at times. 30th in run blocking with the 6th best rushing yards and #10 in YPC? I know the pass protection was awful, but that seems exaggerated unless they are saying Ivory and Powell are absolute beasts. 15th in pass protection is way too high. PFF over analyzes and gets their rankings wrong as a result. Last year ranked #3 was an absolute joke. This year we gave up the 6th most sacks and 9th most QB hits. PFF <<<<<<. PB was abysmal this year, worst its ever been during the RR era. RB was decent. Did they maybe mean pass blocking was 30th and run blocking was 15th? Sounds ass backwards to me when our running game was good and our passing game was terrible, especially considering the amount of sacks & QB hits.
our pass pro was just fine most of the year, remember that we were in must pass situations often, had a rookie QB and for a good portion that rookie QB(who wasn't ready to play by the way) had no healthy weapons.
The Jets plan for offensive line is going to be the same as this year. They'll resign Howard, have him and Ferguson as bookends and Mangold in the middle. At guard, they'll have a "competition" between Winters, Aboushi, Ijialana & a vet.
I don't know what to expect from Aboushi, I do expect major improvement from Winters. if we get that our will be a lot better. Combine that w/ a QB who understands the offense better and hopefully more weapons for the QB and we should have a decent offense.
What about Campbell? Do you think he is still too raw and will take more time, did you forget about him, or just think he won't develop at all? Also, what about Dalton Freeman? The Jets seemed pretty high on him, and he can play either C or OG. He could possibly slide in at OG, then take over for Mangold in a year or two.
Our O-Line performance was very poor. Like i've been saying, our O-Line took a huge step back from what it was last year. Pro Football Focus does a great job of breaking it all down. Best place to go to in order to find out how players are really performing. We need 2 new guards. Losing Moore and Slauson in the same off season was such a huge blow. Colon is average at best and Winters clearly wasn't ready to start. He was arguably the worst offensive lineman in football.
i'll give the whole O-Line a C- as a unit. nobody was good enough to get their own grade. LG stinks badly no matter who it is. D'Brick & Mangold disappointed me this year..they are better than that... (more so mangold). Austin Howard started off strong ended suspect. Colon is better at trash talking than blocking. We need some major changes at the guard positions.
Perhaps it shouldn't matter, but I think what happens with Winters may well depend on what they do with Colon. If Colon is gone, and has to be replaced, the FO may decide that is enough heavy lifting for the OL. When it is arguably not enough. Let's say they go second or third round pick at RG. Do they also sign a vet Guard to replace Winters? I wouldn't count on it.
I don't want to give up on Winters, but we need some insurance for him. I wouldn't mind signing a legit guard to fill one of the spots then having Colon and Winters in a competition for the other spot. Hopefully Winters drastically improves and beats him out, if not Colon could hopefully give us another year of decent play.
I am mostly guessing, but I do have a strong notion that they will not bring Colon back. He was a risk for 13 that they lucked out on with his injury history. And he was average before you took the too many penalties into account.
