We've had this conversation before. Sanchez was bad as a rookie, average in year 2, below average in year 3, awful in year 4. And it doesn't matter how high a QB was drafted. Round 2 is still a high draft pick, but either way they would've drafted someone to compete.
Agreed. He just has to be better than Geno (unless Geno takes a huge jump that shouldn't be too difficult) as well as any other QB on the roster. If he does that, he will play else ride the pine or cut. Rex "really" has to win next year so the best guy will play.
if you have a Matthew Stafford you also aren't winning 4 playoff games either. Idzik made it last b/c he wanted his guy to start. It cost us 2013 but hopefully it pays off in 2014 and beyond.
This is ALL true and yet it still makes good football sense given our current situation and FA landscape to bring him back on the cheap to compete.
You're gonna believe what you want to believe. It makes no sense to prolong a competition if Sanchez is "easily beating out Geno". If Idzik is really that stubborn then he should go. However I know for a fact that Geno and Sanchez were neck and neck and I could argue that Geno was having the better camp. No. At one point I was okay with bringing back Sanchez until he said he believed that he won the competition. We need everybody to be on the same page. If Sanchez gets beaten out who's to say he wouldn't create a distraction? You bring in Chad Henne for example he's coming in here with the understanding that he's a backup.
The Jets can't bring Sanchez back for one simple reason, he is worth more to another club then he is to the Jets. The Jets have their starter for next year and they have a young backup. They are going to be bringing in a large group of rookies and a couple of new FA's. Geno should have all the work with the first team next year in TC and pre-season. Simms should have most of the backup reps. That leaves room for a 3rd vet qb who is likely not to be on the roster most weeks. Sanchez would have to be cut and resigned for vet minimum. Sanchez has some value to other teams as either the No. 2 QB or possibly a starter in a couple of situations. It's not happening unless Sanchez is willing to come back on a very cheap contract with little opportunity to compete for the starting job unless Geno gets hurt in TC. Geno is coming in as the starter next year, count on it.
you can believe what you want to believe, I know what happened. yes, just b/c he doesn't pass the meaningless fantasy #s of the average fan doesn't mean he was bad. he did win the competition- easily. It wasn't much of a competition.
Do you have inside information? Or is this just what you think happened? But being a bottom 5 QB gives us an idea of the type of QB Sanchez has been. The stats backup what I've seen with my own eyes. If Sanchez won the competition "easily" they would've gave Sanchez all the 1st team reps and Geno would get 2nd team reps. Which means Sanchez doesn't get hurt in a meaningless preseason game. I remember during the rookie camp reading that David Lee felt Geno was not ready. Then during training camp he came out and was shocked at how much Geno improved. I've heard that they were leaning towards Geno and it sounded like Geno was outplaying Sanchez in camp based on reports from the media and even fans that attended those camps. So this idea that Sanchez "easily" beat out Geno is nonsense. But going by that logic it would be absurd to continue a competition if Sanchez is "easily beating out" Geno.
the only time he was a bottom 5 QB was 2012, he was a bottom 10 QB in 2009 but still good for a rookie. Top 10 in 2010, 15-16 in 2011. Did you watch geno play this year? 75% of the year he looked like he didn't belong on an NFL field so clearly he was not ready despite any progress he made in practice. Mark easily was the better QB, it wasn't close. y
Once again you sidestep the issue. But to respond to you. Yes Geno was terrible at points this season. Especially that 4 game stretch. But he was up and down during the first 8 weeks. Then he was flat out terrible after the bye for 4 weeks then he rebounded in the last 4 weeks. Overall he shown promise and has upside. We've seen Sanchez have games like Geno had against the Bills or Ravens where he looks lost. But in camp he was outplaying Sanchez based on those who saw them play.
In 2013? the coaches saw him more than ANY of us, they delayed that decision more than any other team did with their QB competitions, beyond rumors this suggests they were close if theres that much deliberation on the matter, no? why keep it going if its obvious?
at points? he looked completely lost most of the year. He had ONE good game until December(Atl), other than that he had a moment here or there. No one who watched the 2 thought Geno was outplaying Mark.
New GM wanted his QB, wanted to start rebuilding to see what he had in Geno. If it was up to rex Mark would have been named starter much earlier where he wouldn't have been in NYG game in the 4th qtr.
Geno was flat out better then Sanchez in camp. Sanchez outperformed Geno in pre-season games but Geno was hurt. If you were going to base the QB competition on pre-season Simms was the flat out winner. The idea that Sanchez won the QB competition is speculation. It was clear in TC Sanchez wasn't impressing anyone.
Exactly if it's that obvious why prolong it? The GM wants to win even if it's with a guy he didn't draft. If Sanchez had a great camp, they start the season with Sanchez and their approach to the preseason changes. Geno was okay week 1 against Tampa. In week 2 he was having a decent game until the 3 INT's in the 4th quarter, in week 3 he had a good game, week 4 he was bad against Tennessee, week 5 he was good against the Falcons. Week 6 Pittsburgh exposed him a bit, week 7 he had a good game against the Pats, week 8 he was bad against the Bengals, week 9 he didn't do anything the run game carried the offense but he didn't turn the ball over either, week 11-13 he was brutal, week 14 he had a solid game, week 15 against the Panthers he was solid, week 16 against the Browns was his best game since ATL, week 17 he was good.
Because they didn't want to shoot down Geno before he shot himself down. Also, Just because they didn't tell anyone outside the organization who won, doesn't mean the coaches didn't have an internal decision. You're right Mark didn't play lights out, If he didn't there wouldn't have been any room to question his starting spot. But he *DID* play well enough to beat out Geno,.. If you didn't think that was the case you definitely didn't watch the Giants game first half which was the only valid time Geno got going against "starter" material. Unless you honestly think 37 passes with 1 TD and 3 INTS is enough to confirm that Geno was "ready". Sanchez finished with 42 snaps ( including the 6 against the Giants ) and finished with a better completion percentage and 1 more TD while throwing 1 less interception.. Take into account Geno was hobbling around on a bad ankle,. And it's seriously mind-bottling how you people honestly think the competition was even close.
The kind of playmakers who make a difference make a difference. They don't put it on the QB not being good enough, Look at Larry Fitz, Look at Brandon Marshall, And to a lesser extent AJ Green. Over the past few years It's definitely been a money thing not any kind of grudge the entire NFL has over Sanchez. Since his sophmore year we haven't had the cap space to bring in anyone to help. We've been shopping in the bargain bin for the past 3 years thanks to Mike T. Plaxico? Derrick Mason? Yuck.
he wasn't ok, he wasn't as bad as he would be soon but he kept TB in that game. he was ok until 3 INts but 3 INTs in the 4th qtr of a 3 pt game make that a bad game. week 3 he was good enough week 4 he was horrendous week 5 he was excellent at Atl vs. pitt terrible was ok against the Pats- remember we scored on D(after he had thrown an INT for a TD) and we won that game showing no trust him just running every play to win it. he was good the last 4 weeks, he finally looked like he was getting it and finally looked like he belonged as a starter in this league. I HOPE that is a good sign for the future.
yep, what a train wreck that put the talent in place to make 2 title games. he obviously wasn't perfect but overall he did a very good job for us.
