Honestly, I didn't watch much of the Bengals and Chargers game or past Cincy playoff games as I really don't give a rats ass about Cincy. I'll take your word that he looked lost and agree the QB doesn't have to put the team on his shoulders. In the past Sanchez won games with the help of a strong supporting cast (well, if you can discount his struggles due to an inferior supporting cast it is only fair his successes are discounted with a strong supporting cast) and so far Dalton hasn't won any playoff games despite a strong supporting cast. I'm just not convinced that the Sanchez of three and four years ago is the one we're going to see after one fairly bad season, one terrible season and missing an entire season due to an injury that required surgery. It's hard to separate which is Sanchez trending downwards and what is the team in general trending downward. I guess we'll see what happens, maybe Sanchez will rebound with a better cast (or more likely in a different city) and prove all the haters wrong. Personally I'm just not banking on that happening.
Andy Dalton is a 2nd round pick and Sanchez was picked top 5. It's not unreasonable to expect Sanchez to be more than what he's been up to this point. When you're picked top 5 you are expected to make Clyde Gates and Jason Hill into weapons. If Sanchez was a 2nd rounder the production would match the draft status. But as the 5th pick he underachieved.
I think Dalton is a decent QB but when you fail to show, when you lead your O to less than 10 PPG w/ the high being 10 pts in postseason that's not good. say what you want about mark but he got the job done in January. he was too up and down in the reg season even in better years but when the lights were brightest he showed up and it's hard to find guys like that. So what? the best QB of this generation was a 6th rd pick. very few QBs, HIF caliber guys are the ones that make average WRs look much better. Most QBs can't do that, again look at how Eli struggled w/ good weapons, look at Flacco this year vs. last year w/ far fewer weapons, look at Ryan after all the injuries(and he still had much more talent than mark 2012), etc... the last time we had playoff caliber talent on O we reached the AFC Championship Game.
Once again if you are a top 5 pick you are expected to do more. The fact that you'd argue with that means you're crazy. We already went over this Eli stuff. He's made players better. Kevin Boss was productive with Eli he goes to Oakland and he's irrelevant. That's just one example. Flacco and Ryan had good seasons this year despite losing talent.
According to your stats Sanchez got better also. Marks Tds, completions, yards went up every year. Dalton has a consistent system and primary receivers something a Sanchez never had. But the difference is Dalton hasn't done much in the playoffs, and obviously mark has...
Although Sanchez was much better in the playoffs than in the regular season, I don't think his ~65 QB rating in the regular season is good enough. He could be okay to have if you could do things like Overthecap says and get his cap number down, and still keep him. But you still need a veteran QB like Michael Vick or whoever. I would be okay going into the season with Vick, Smith, and Sanchez as the 3 QBs, with Simms on the practice squad (if eligible.)
andy dalton isnt good, and is at best average. but he is still better then sanchez. the bengals lose by 30 if sanchez had played that game.
you just posted a 4 game sample of chansi stuckey's numbers and translated those of 16 games to make a point, and you are going to say someone elses #'s are meaningless? lol
how is having one of the worst rookie seasons of all time a "good year for a rookie" 27th in qb rating 20th in touchdowns 36th in completion percentage(among qbs who qualify) 15th in yards how exactly is that "top 10 type player". he was in the bottom of the league in almost every category. and was completely awful the entire year awful bottom 10 QB that year. 2nd most turnovers in all of football at any position. killed us all year with turnovers. worst starting player in the sport in 2012. one of the worst seasons for a player in franchise history
I'm not saying he's great but I don't think he's bad. I don't hate him. If he played better I would've preferred if he started over Geno.
I'm not Sanchez's biggest fan at all but let's be honest - he has never had anything close to the weapons Andy Dalton has had. When people say he had a good supporting cast they are talking about his defense (and his running game for a year, maybe two). He's never had anything close to an AJ Green to throw to. It's impossible to say how he would have performed under the circumstances Dalton has had. In fact I think it's easier to say that Dalton would have been complete crap if he was starting under center for the Jets the past few seasons.
Agree with pretty much everything said here. I think in 2010 he wasn't completely terrible. However he was far from a top 10 QB.
he's done more than Dalton. 4 playoff wins, 2 title game apps beats zero playoff wins. Stop w/ Eli, he has been surrounded w/ top talent since day 1. Boss caught 35 balls in 2011 w/ NYG and 28 in 2012 w/ Oak w/ garbage at QB, the production was very similar. The Jets beat a MUCH better SD team on the road where mark had half the talent around him Dalton has but yeah they would have lost by 30 w/ Mark:rofl: Do you watch football? he had a good year for a rookie. all you do is look at meaningless stats. He made big play after big play, led us to a ton of late game comebacks through the air but he didn't tack on meaningless TDs or score in blowouts so he sucked! we have access to more info than ever before and still people don't have a clue.
I love how we are giving Sanchez credit for playoff wins when the rest of the world minus NYJunc knows a great running game and top defense carried us the entire time.Sanchez made a few plays here and there but was never the reason we won those games.Enough of this nonsense I can't wait until he is cut so we don't have to hear his name called again.How could anyone defend this guy after the buttfumble,he ran 25 mph straight into Brandon Moores ass for no reason at all and fumbled the ball for a TD on a warm Thanksgiving night in front of Millions,he gives new meaning to "Remember The Titans" with playoffs still on the line he throws the ball into triple coverage for an int, then fumbles the snap two plays later ,pure trash
I defend the guy that has helped us win more playoff games and make more title games(thus giving us more chances at SBs) than any other QB in franchise history. Our run game and D were severely overrated, both good, none great. Mark was vital to our success, not in the way Brady is to NE but w/o quality QB play we are the Bengals w/ Dalton.
Junc would rather go to battle with Taco as his QB than Peyton Manning. That's all you need to know about that guy.
1.Matt Ryan 2.Phillip Rivers 3.Peyton Manning 4.Aaron Rodgers 5.Drew Brees 6.Big Ben 7.Matt Schaub 8.Tom Brady 9.Eli Manning 10.Michael Vick 11.Josh Freeman 12.David Garrard 13.Joe Flacco There are others i'd take as well but these guys just jump out. Your going to break it down to who made the playoffs and was successful or not though so I expect you to dismiss Rivers, Schaub, Garrard, and probaly Freeman as well. What I don't think your taking into account though is how much better we'd be if Sanchez could have seasons similar to the ones those players had.
How can you compare qb's stats when they have different systems and weapons? If you throwing to Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant, Gronk, etc your numbers are going to look better... Let's get this straight 2012 jets offensive personnel and system are one of the all time worst ever. Wether you are Montana, manning or Brady your going to suck in that 2012, no excuses. The off coordinator was known as a running specialist, and wild cat (so secretive) guru. How well did we do in the wild cat with Tebow (0 Td's), and Greene and Powell running up the gut??? That's what the offense was designed to excel in! Looking at the video, it is excruciating watching Greene and Powell play Db instead of a receiver trying to catch the ball. Those guys hands are as soft as a brick wall the way The ball bounced right off off their hands.
