Eli Manning has now been in the NFL for 10 Seasons. The interesting statistic: 8 of those seasons the Giants did not win a single playoff game. The other 2 seasons: Won 4 playoff games each and the Super Bowl. Made the playoffs 5 out of 10 seasons. Crazy, huh?
he played well in those playoff runs w/o a doubt but they had every break in the world go their way. I still cannot believe those teams won SBs.
I think this shows the patience that you proposed for Rex and even Mark, to be accurate. 8 out of 10 years, the Giants completely failed. Did not even win a single playoff game. The other 2 seasons they went 10-6 and 9-7 and somehow won 2 Super Bowls. Anything can happen if you make the playoffs. The Giants proved that in 2007 and even 2011. I think their best actual team during that stretch was their 2008 team, that was the #1 seed, but 1 and done. The funny thing is people consider the Giants a successful franchise in the last 10 years. Eli Manning a Hall of Famer even. Funny thing: THEY ARE! They won 2 Super Bowls. That is what success is. It is just funny/ironic to me that the other 8 seasons they have nothing to show at all.
2008 was their best team but they were one and done like 2004 and 2005. People got crazy in the moment calling Eli elite but I think most now understand he was never elite and had a couple of good playoff runs and a good season or 2 in this league. he doesn't even have an elite full season on his resume, he's the Jim Plunkett of this generation. Good enough to win w/ but not great or a HOFer.
To compare him to his draft buddies: Big Ben helped the Steelers make the playoffs 6 out of 10 seasons. Rivers helped the Chargers make the playoffs 5 out of 10 seasons. To be fair though, Eli only started 7 games his rookie year and Rivers 0 in his first two years.
Haha true. The interesting stat, to me, was that Eli and the Giants did not win a playoff game in 8 of his 10 NFL seasons. They either win nothing or win it all.
Eli Manning has been a fairly average QB during his NFL career. He and the Giants got lucky twice and went on a tear at the end of the season. If he and they do that again he's probably going to the Hall of Fame.
Hmm I can't remember if you've talked about similarity scores of profootballreference before or not, but they are interesting for Eli. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/glossary.htm#sim That's the description and link to more details about it, and Eli has no HOFers to his similarity score for his carer. I am interested to see how the Giants offense does change going forward. I feel like the potential is there to get Eli clicking and put together a career year.
I still believe if we don't give up a 98 whatever yard TD to Cruz and we don't go 3 and out on the previous drive they don't even make the playoffs 2 years ago.
that 99 yard TD changed the seasons for both teams. if that play doesn't happen we go into the half up 7-3 at the worst and probably at least 10-3 after good FP from a punt in the EZ. It changed the game and season for both teams. That is one of the worst losses we have ever suffered.
clearly it was all Gilbride's fault:rofl: Eli knew that O as well as any QB could know an offense, he had elite weapons to throw to and flexibility in that offense. The reason they stunk was b/c of Eli and Gilbride became the scapegoat.
I don't think anyone thinks Eli is actually a Hall of Fame QB, but how can you keep a 2 time Super Bowl MVP out of the Hall? is my question.
Mannings playoff funs still fail to impress me. They are both very overrated imo and giving Eli the majority credit takes away a lot from the rest of the team. I dont think people realize this but the Giants defense held Favre, Garcia, Romo, Brady(x2), Rodgers, Alex Smith, Matty Ryan ALL to under 20 points or less. Not a single team eclipsed 20 points in both playoff runs. On top of that the Giants as a team kept games very manageable for Eli. When the Patriots were up 17-9 the Giants never let them score another point and kept the game right there for Eli. When the 49ers were up 14-10 the Giants never let the game spin out of control. Eli did not face much adversity in either run, I think the biggest lead a team took the Patriots which was an 8 point lead. Ill give Eli credit for 2 of the most clutchest drives ever but on the flip side, that Patriots defense was horrible. 21 points was not impressive, I saw Tebow put up that many against the Patriots in the 1st quarter and half ALONE. You know what though? props to Eli, he was given a ridiculously good opportunity and capitalized on em both. IDC if he is great, idc if he is a HOFer or not, at the end of the day he is a very unique category: 2x Super Bowl Champion/MVP. He's one of few men to be in that category, props to him, if it was easy then there would be plenty of people that are in that category, but there arent so.
very easily since he didn't deserve either one and we all know QBs win most of the MVPs even if they don't deserve them. if he was a 2 time league MVP it would be more difficult(though randall Cunningham has 3 and I'm not sure he will ever get in).
Hes not a HOFer but doesnt have to be either How many Hall of Famers are there? How many 2x Super Bowl QB Champions/SBMVP are there? You tell me which is the more distinguished category.
It was awful, I can't remember being so angry after a regular season loss like I was that one. That play changed the course of both teams.... I was even more angry because we had great field position I believe after an INT and proceeded to go 3 and out, we got an amzing punt and that crap happned.... disgusting.
I never said it was all Gilbrides fault. I never mentioned Gilbride or assigned blame. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a new system creates a spark and he has a career year. You have to remember, he's never had a MVP type year, topping his best year isn't that high of a bar. Rivers got a new coach this year and something clicked in him and the offense this year that was missing the past few years. So yeah, I think it's a possibility Eli could have a career year. Do I think it's a probability, not right now no. I definitely need to see who the Giants hire first and who they manage to bring into FA.
