Actually, no they don't. If Rex does get fired landing any one of those would be a great hire. I like Shaw, Roman and O'Brien the most.
Anyone who worked with Harbaugh is a good option to dip into.. that means I like Shaw and Roman. Especially Roman, the guy has had proven success with 2 separate and different QBs, including reviving the career of one. That shouldn't be understated. It's important to have a head coach who has a track record of success managing the QB position IMO. Word was that Idzik met Roman earlier in the year... who knows what they were talking about, but I'm certain if Rex gets booted, Roman will definitely get at least a phone call. I like what O'Brien has done at Penn St. and he will be a hot commodity. I personally want Roman though.
O'Brien had the courage to take over for Joe Paterno and that pedophilia scandal. That was a brutal job. I give him a ton of credit. This does not mean he would be a good NFL coach, but it does mean he should be able to handle pressure. It doesn't get much more pressurized than taking over for a legend and having to deal with sanctions on top of that.
Penn St. is so fortunate that he did have the balls to take that situation on. Credit to them for taking a chance on him, but at the same time, they owe him a great deal.. That was a slam dunk hiring if there ever was one. Considering the circumstances there, I think even hiring an average college coach would've put that program in shambles. They are at a massive disadvantage with the lack of scholarships and saw a huge flock of transfers leave for greener pastures. To be where they are right now is truly remarkable and speaks to the kind of coach O'Brien is.. If (when) he leaves they might be in a rude awakening if they don't catch lightening in a bottle twice.
Bill O'Brien might be a good HC for us - even so he's from the Belichick tree and no other coach besides BB himself has proven to be a good HC. David Shaw isn't going anywhere. The other options SUCK SUCK SUCK. Especially when you consider the fact that we could fire one of the best defensive minds in a league for another defensive minded coach. Those that are considering Greg Roman, for the 100th time he is not a good coach and he is not HC material - I encourage you to read up more on Roman from the 49ers fan perspective. They hate him just as much as we hated Schottenheimer.
I think the Bill O'Brien discussion needs to be put back on the shelf. He's not leaving Penn State. He had opportunities last year and denied them. Penn State is one of those college jobs that he can sit in for 2 decades, raise a family and live in one of the most beautiful places in the country. He's literally over the hump there with the whole mess he inherited so why would he leave? Especially to come to the perennial mess that is the NY Jets? If I were him I'd put Woody/Idzik's number on my contact list then program it into the the "block" category. MAYBE Bevell...I don't know... To be honest I don't like any of the options. None of them, except the O'Brien option...but (see above). As I've mentioned a number of times...unless you are going to throw upwards of $10mill per at Gruden to come off the ESPN Gravy Train then you ride it out with Ryan. NO ONE out there is worth discussing. The hilarity of it all is if Idzik does fire Ryan and can see some loser like Jim Fassell being hired. Now THAT would be VERY Jet like. Blaahhhhhh....
thankfully we won't have to consider any of those "next Kotite scrubs" once the Rex Ryan contract extention is announced
Jim Fassel 58-53 Record with a SB appearance is a loser BUT Rex Ryan at 41-38 with 0 SB appearances is not? I'm not saying I'd be happy with a Fassel hiring either, I'm just saying why is Rex not considered to be at a similar level as that man, when all indications are that he is? I also disagree with you about O'Brien. I think he will be on an NFL sideline next fall even. He's already taken the steps to make it easier for an NFL team to buy him out and he sounds like a man ready to jump ship to me.
Actually it was. Look at where his defense has consistently ranked prior to the Jets. He has a ring prior to taking over for the Jets and has worked with and developed some great players. His coaching background was miles and miles long and he is the son of Buddy Ryan who coached one of the greatest defenses ever seen. I don't think that hurts his status by any means. The only guy on that list that was a part of a Superbowl winning team was Jay Gruden and he didn't have a huge role in that. Since departing from his brother he hasn't accomplished a lot. That's week, just because you say he didn't have a good resume prior to joining the Jets, doesn't make it true. I mean what would your argument be with a statement like you made? I don't see it.
We'll agree to disagree on O'Brien. Fassel had talent on his rosters. Period. You will never confuse what the NY Jets have had the last 2 years or so with what the Giants had. End of story. THAT alone is enough of a difference to end that conversation. Fassel got fired with a decently loaded team that under achieved. Ryan has gotten to where he's at with teams that have performed moderately above their talent level to VASTLY over achieving.
You see...that is the crux of my argument. Rex Ryan has had SOME talent on some of his teams...but you would NEVER compare any of his teams with...say...today's 49'er team or a Green Bay Packers with Aaron Rodgers...heck, I wouldn't compare one single Jets team with the Houston Texans. Ryan has done what he's done with reasonably AVERAGE teams...and that especially includes the two year runs to the AFCCG. Neither of those teams were even close to great...they were simply above average...I would barely hazard a "Good". Soooo..there you go. At the end of the day that is the reality of it all. Already in the history books and you can go and look back on all 5 years and NONE of his teams would be considered really good...talent wise. Only merely average to above average/borderline good.
The jets have had a lot of talent on the defense, including arguably the best defensive player in the game at CB for the majority of his tenure here. This year he has 3 of his front 4 DL as first round picks. Talent-wise on defense he has had his fair share. Offensively, the players might look different and we might have a different view of their talent over this 5 year stretch if they were coached by a guy who knows anything about that side of the ball. Rex has not worked with a bare cupboard. The talent on this roster was above average when he got here and they finished above average accordingly. The past 2 years the talent on this roster as been average and they've finished average, accordingly. I don't feel he's gotten the most out of the overall (both sides of the ball) talent on this roster like a Harbaugh would've.. to use your 49ers comparison. If you want to say the Jets don't have a Aaron Rodgers like GB, fine, but they will fall in line with 90% of the league in that regard. Get Rex Rodgers and he wins.. but get INSERT NAME HERE Rodgers and he wins too. But the difference between the 49ers and the Jets lies strictly in it's HC. Rex is an average NFL coach and Harbaugh is a great one. When evaluating our HC, we should compare him to other HCs and not other QB situations like the GB example.
Actually it sounds like O'Brien is going to leave Penn st. There are rumblings that he feels like Penn st. misled him regarding the sanctions and he has lowered his buy out.
Responding to the bolded portion, why do you guys keep saying that? It makes no sense whatsoever. You act like Rex's only responsibilities are with the D. He is the HC, NOT the DC. He is responsible for the performance of all 3 units of the team. The idea in replacing Rex is to improve the performance of the team as a whole, especially the offense and STs. It's not just about the D. Even if the D does drop off some, the offense and STs could improve significantly, more than enough to compensate for whatever dropoff there is in the D. If you guys are gonna argue for keeping Rex, at least use coherent, rational reasons for doing so, not flawed reasoning.
Just because he had opportunities to leave last year and didn't doesn't mean he won't this year. He may have been committed to getting Penn St. over the hump before he was willing to consider moving on. A lot of coaches would want to stay in a situation like that, but not everyone. Sometimes even those who might not leave under normal circumstances might move on for the right situation or right amount of $s. Gruden would be one of the last former HCs I'd consider. I like his personality as a commentator, but I don't think he was that good of a HC. He won with someone else's talent and team and couldn't build his own.
