Do you feel Carr is overvalued or do you think he is overvalued and on par with Nassib. Because I've seen every game Nassib ever played and while I love what he did for my Orangemen, he isn't 1/10the the QB Carr is. When folks were talking about him being a first rounder I was shocked. Look, my take on Carr is that he has a true NFL arm, has good stature, moves very well for a non-dual threat QB, is extremely intelligent, is laser accurate, can read defesnes, can throw with touch or into tight windows and is in total command of his huddle, his offense and his team. He's the total package. The fact that he played in the Mountain West isn't his fault. He throws completions 20-25 yards downfield like he's handing off to the receiver. His play calling at the line, the way he moves his players around, his calling out the defenses--THAT'S the type of guy I want running my offense. _
Sorry about that, just a tad frustrating when folks with an anti-draft QB agenda are suggesting Bridgewater is not really a top 10 guy, Manziel is a 3rd rounder and Mariota had he come would have been a 4th rounder. Wasn't directed at you. _
So I just watched the Fresno vs Utah ST game. Here are some observations I took away from this game: The good: Carr has all the measurables as we know. Size, arm strength, mobile in the pocket. He is accurate with the underneath stuff allowing his receiver to get maximum yardage. Good footwork. The bad: He takes every snap out of shotgun which we already know. Carr was 2-8 with 2 sacks while under pressure. By my count, he was 8-15 on throws more than 10 yards. That's not bad but that's where his 2 ints came. I counted over 2 dozen screens of some variation. He basically has one read and if it's not there, it's an incompletion.
marqise lee is definitely not a "me" player, i have no clue where someone got that from. derek carr is a big question mark, but honestly i think we need to stick with geno. he has shown improvements, like honestly he played well against a browns defense that is no joke. get him some weapons and see how he fares. if he fails, then we have the foundation for another QB to step in i'm really looking at mike evans, his lack of speed bothers me so i'll need to look into him more. also i'm intrigued by eric ebron
Brandin Cooks is intriguing. He reminds me a lot of Steve Smith. I just don't know if he would be a good fit in the outside.
He can play anywhere on the field. Cooks is more explosive than Smith. The thing I love about Cooks is that he's never been hurt and is very physical for his size and speed. Brandon Cooks is a clone of Santana Moss 13 years ago. I expect Cooks to be a Top 20 pick when the smokes clears in early May. If Jet Fans want a play maker...Cooks is your man.
mike evan lacks elite WR speed, i don't understand how you can argue against that he doesn't get much separation against CBs, in the NFL it will be even harder
Not a fan of QB's that can only work in the shotgun. Product of a system. Really hope we don't draft Carr.
This. IMO he's pretty much an undersized TE. Isn't a knock, he's a hell of a talent, but that's the kind of player he is.
Really liked the looks on ECU's Voctavius Cooper. He has some impressive change of direction & a decent burst. At 5'9 200 He might make an interesting Leon Washington clone..a perfect compliment to Ivory & Powell.Think late 3rd early 4th
Evans isn't slow he's just slower than his WR comrades, or rather he doesn't have great break away speed in comparison to say Watkins. would be a fine addition but honestly Lee is on top of my WR list. I have no doubt that Carr can be a great QB in the NFL, but he just doesn't bring much new to the table that Geno didn't as a rookie. the more I hear and see of him the more I hope like hell the jets don't bother or that some other team takes him. I'm not a fan of taking a QB in the first, but if we did anybody BUT him, rather give johnny football a try...
I do agree with you that he might be a better WR than Tavon Austin. He's not as dynamic with the ball in his hands (simply because Tavon is out of this world), but if I have to guess who the better pro will be in 5 years Im going with Cooks. Would love him in the 2nd.
What is elite WR speed? 98 % of the WRs in the NFL aren't track stars. Mike Evans isn't slow, he has average speed for a WR. Very few WRs in the NFL get adequate separation, the window is very small to get the ball. We have already chewed on this subject. Successful NFL WRs have great hands, are physical, can gain enough separation, not with "speed", but with quickness and ability to read defenses and adjust. Mike Evans does all of these very well. I'm not saying Mike Evans will be a pro bowl NFL player, he has proven he has the make up of a NFL wide out.
Lax...I think Cooks is going get into Rd 1, his size may hold him back , but it shouldn't. If Cooks is available to the Jets in Rd 2, it would be a no brainer. Tavon is a faster player with straight line speed, but Cooks is a more polished receiver that can do it all. I watch Cooks and everything he does is effortlessly. If you watch tape of Santana Moss when he played at the U, they look like the same player.
Well theres a huge difference between "he lacks speed" and "he lacks elite speed". One suggests hes slow, the other suggest that he just isnt elite in one area- which is perfectly fine for him because his game isnt built around that. Dez Bryan, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald and Alshon Jeffery lack elite speed, but they are great WRs. At 0:52, 1:20, 2:45, 3:12, 3:31 [YOUTUBE]ERBNENJVgws[/YOUTUBE] The great thing about Evans is that his game isnt based solely on speed and creating separation. He's the type of WR that a QB can just throw the ball in his vicinity and he's going to get it. Id absolutely love getting Evans in the 1st and then Davante Adams/Beckham/Cooks/Robinson in the 2nd. I think Geno could actually have a shot at being decent then.
I think he should be a 1st round prospect, but there's so much depth in this class that I wouldnt be surprised if he fell a little bit because he's not your typical size that you look for. Moss at the U was a little before my time of getting into football/draft, but I can definitely see the comparison from what Ive seen of him in the NFL.
I didn't really know much about this Cooks fella so I read up a little on him and he seems to me to be a guy the Jets might target in April. They made it pretty clear they were high on Austin last spring and he seems like a similar player. Wouldn't be a bad pick by any means.. I did not realize he had such great production. I am impressed by that. I agree that Evans' speed shouldn't be a concern. It's thoughts like that that cause an Anquan Boldin to fall on draft day or a Stephen Hill to be selected ahead of a Alshon Jeffrey. Don't overthink the receiver position - if he looks very, very good on the field then he's worthy of a selection even if he doesn't measure well. Evans has a little Vincent Jackson in him, I think.
