I think if you see development in the players, the players clearly want to play for Rex you keep that coach. We win Sunday, we truly only have 1 losing season along with 2 .500 seasons with crap on offense. Let Marty and Idzik work on the offense, Rex needs to sit in and learn more about offense and things will get better.
Rex gives us a chance to win every year, he gets the most out of his talent. The only really disappointing year was 2011 and looking back seeing 3 of the top 5 weapons on O entering that season that were out of the league after that season it tells us we weren't that talented. 2009: mid of the pack talent, lost in title game 2010: top 10 talent: lost in title game 2011: mid of the pack talent, 8-8 2012: worst offensive skill players in league, lose best O and D players, 6-10 but were in playoff race in Dec 2013: rookie QB who wasn't ready w/ awful skill position players and we were in race in December and will finish 7-9 or 8-8. build the talent around him and we'll be SB contenders again.
What you are hoping is exactly what I think is going down -- Idzik already let Rex know he wasn't going to be extended, So Rex, who does not want to be a lame duck, yet knowing walking away from a coaching gig would not look good when it comes to interviewing for the next job decides to play a game of chicken with his new GM - basically trying to get fired. I've said all along that I feel that this was intentionally leaked out by Rex, which is the most logical explanation given how quiet the sound bites were this year.
If the Jets are willing to let Rex coach next year without an extension he's got to be willing to do that. It's not like he's blameless in the debacle of the last three years. He should be willing to roll the dice to prove he's the coach he seems to be.
Again, I want to keep Rex, I was just commentating the idea that winning organizations don't fire coaches every 3 years is misleading like teams win x% of the time when they run y% of times during a game. Does this happen because they are running a lot leading to a win, or are they running a lot because they established an early lead with pass/run and trying to eat the clock? Same situation here. Do winning organizations not changes coaches quickly because they are stable and have patience, or is it because winning organization had a HC who won a SB in his first few years meaning you must keep him. Again I agree, but it's much easier to keep Rex if he won a SB in 2009 or 2010, in fact this wouldn't be a discussion. That's why winning organizations tend to not fire coaches, how do you fire a HC who won a SB? Their hands are tied basically. But as you pointed out, it goes further than that. You want a coach who can have a team competing year and year out. Rex definitely needs to work on a lot as HC like finishing the last 1/4 of the season strong.
Like there's no other competent defensive coaches out there. The bigger issue could be how poorly the offense will suffer if Rex stays on board. MM hasn't proven to be a sure thing as an OC. He started off the year good but then tapered off with some very questionable play calling as the year went on. Not sure how anyone can say that we're a 10 win team next year. What about Rex Ryan's track record makes you think that this team will make huge improvements under his watch? They have been a mediocre to bad team for 3 straight years with Ryan. The talent on this team, outside of the Front 4, has diminished under his watch. If this team is aiming for another 7-9 or 8-8 season next year under Ryan than I don't think anyone should sign up for keeping him around. Bring in a HC who knows both sides of the ball and has been successful.
So you're saying hire Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher? I don't see any other successful coaches out there than can make the claim at this point. Lots of prospects but no proven talent. Bill O'Brien is 50/50 to hit the NFL and go right down for the count when the reality of the situation settles in. Look at Nick Saban for your example there.
4,5, 6 wins. All the same in the end as it screams time for a change. Again, the upside of keeping Rex around to be a 7-9 or 8-8 next year pales in comparison to the downside of another mediocre season. That is not building a winning culture. That's just status quo for the sake of saying you fielded a team that wasn't great, but wasn't awful either. The point of this is to win SB's and to make playoff runs. It's been a while since the Jets did the latter and an eternity since they did the former. I'm not even sure Ryan has the faith in his abilities that some on this board have in him. He's a .500 career coach and I don't see that getting much better under his watch.
Saying the D will be shit if Rex leaves is like saying our O will never be good unless an offenisve-minded HC comes here. I say because of where talent is on the roster there is much more need for an offensive mastermind than a defensive one at the helm.
The thing with successful coaches, established coaches, is that they want control and be kind of a GM too. So basically we undercut Idzik's plan or we search only for a HC that will comply with Idzik, or he limit Idzik's power. You want a GM/HC combo it seems like from this comment.
He doesn't have to - he would be a moron not to. He could choose to walk away and not get paid and damage his future chances of employment. Hence his leak to force Idzik's hand fire me if you won't extend me. This is what is going on in Washington - Shanahan is trying to get fired, so he does not walk away from his contract, as he tried to get us to believe he was ready to do last year.
Shaw, O'Brien, Roman, all guys I would take a long look at. I have no problem with O'Brien taking his lumps. I've seen enough of him to know that the guy's a good HC. I also know that he's not so offensive focused that he has no idea what defense is even about. Even if he wins only 4 games his first year (which I think he'd exceed) at least you can see the team going in an upward direction. With Ryan, I see the team moving laterally with no true plan how to build an offense and groom a QB. That's a recipe for continued playoff misses and status quo.
For those that are clamoring for 'an offensive minded HC', how exactly will that improve our QB position? Will they magically stop Sanchez/Geno from throwing picks? Will they use their seer-stones to draft the next Russell Wilson in the 4th round of the upcoming draft? It is all about the QB. Get lucky with a great one and you have the inside track to the playoffs every year. Maybe I'm just ignorant of the HC impact on the offense. I don't know how much SPayton is part of Brees' success - they sure looked worse without him last year. Bellichick had success with Cassell, but he acts as supreme overlord of the Pats, so don't know if he is wearing his HC hat or his OC hat when we talk about the Pats offense. Kurt Warner elevated two teams to SB level contenders, I don't think it was two great HCs that gave him his success. What's the split when we talk about offense's success? 30% QB, 25% weapons, 20% OLine, 15% OC, 10% HC? Sounds about right to me.
I saw this comment being thrown around on the board yesterday. I actually don't think we go the established coach route and I would prefer not to. I have no problem going with O'Brien or Shaw who have no head coaching track record in the pros. Those guys would jump at an oppty. to make a name for themselves in the NFL game. They also would have almost no leverage to command being a GM in addition to HC. So in response, no I'd rather they bring in a young HC who wants to build something and works in tandem with Idzik. They really wouldn't have much say to the contrary as neither has been an NFL HC before.
Ahh that makes more sense then. You said you wanted someone who knows talent on both sides of the ball and has been successful so I took that as established. My bad
You just answered your own question. The Saints looked like a different team last year without Payton on the sidelines. An offensive minded HC makes huge improvements in a QB's game. Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Bruce Arians and the list goes on. Now if you don't have an offensive minded HC (Rex Ryan) and you are trying to mentor and develop a young QB, that could be an unmitigated disaster and ruin a QB's career.
Cowher became Pitt's HC in 1992, didn't win a SB until 2005. Coughlin won in year 4 but NYg easily could have gotten rid of him after year 3 like NYg fans wanted(along w/ Eli). winning organizations don't change coaches every few years. You think Cle/Bal would have wanted Belichick?
Actually they do when they don't win, Cowher is the exception, every other Superbowl winning coach in the last 25 years did so within their first 5 years with the team.
This is pokes such a giant hole in the argument of the continuity for the sake of continuity crowd they choose to ignore it. Continuity is earned by winning. It's not given with the hope that it creates winning. Even in the exception instance of Cowher, he had a tremendous record his first 6 years that earned him a little time. Rex doesn't have that.
