Carolina and duke are 2 of the top 5 programs of all time so of course they would dominate just as they would have dominated the BE too. every conference has bad programs, none had more than the BE.
More exciting brand of basketball. The Big East. Too bad it's done, but like I said it was time. Besides, my Orangemen are 2-2 all time with Duke and 3-4 with UNC but one of those was before I was born so in my lifetime 3-3. .500 against 2 of the top programs in history? Not bad. My personal favorite was the 1987 NCAA Regional Final when my man Rony Seikly DOMINATED JR Reid. THAT was exciting. :grin: _
It'll be interesting to see how the ACC does now with more schools. I think the lesser schools in the ACC now like BC & Wake Forest will be better than the Depauls & Seton Halls the Big East had right before it exploded. However I also think it might be tougher for UNC & Duke to maintain their consistent top 10 rankings now that they're playing tougher in conference schedules.
That was a tough loss, that was a really good Carolina team. I preferred the Hall of fame game that November where Carolina beat then #1 SU despite Reid being out:grin: Come to think of it, Carolina has more big wins at the carrier Dome than Syracuse having won regional finals there in 1997 and 2005:grin:
The ACC was always the toughest top to bottom, no nights off for the most part. To win 20+ games(when that meant something_ for 30+ years in a row was spectacular. When Carolina is right they will be top 10 no matter what, when they lose multiple guys early like what happens every few years they will take a dip for a season or 2.
Typical UNC fan, cares more about the Hall of Fame game than one that really really counts, the NCAAs to get to the finals. As long as were recounting made up tourneys, what happened the LAST time SU and UNC played? You remember, the Coaches for Cancer tourney. 2009 when unranked Syracuse destroyed number 6 UNC at the Garden? Love those 22-1 runs- THAT was exciting NYC basketball. :grin: Just so you dont get ahead of me, I was at the game in the Dome 1984, when UNC had Jordan, Perkins, Smith, the D's, the whole crew but Worthy. Beat us pretty bad but we only had Pearl. _
Not arguing that the Big East didn't have a couple gimmes like a Depaul. And without spending too much time, you look at UNC's schedule and instead of playing at Maryland they play at Syracuse. Instead of a home game against Georgia Tech they get a home game against Pittsburgh. Good for RPI purposes but harder to get W's.
A Crooked Referee STOLE them a regional semi-final there too. I will never forget the sight of the court pelted with trash at the conclusion of that game.
Saying DePaul is a Big East team is like saying BC and Miami are ACC teams. They've been there for less than 10 years, the BE was started in 1979! I still consider BC a Big East team :grin: _
UNC & Junc: the most celebrated... ^ Spot on Rebel Rouser. Adding the football component compromised the essence of what originally constituted the Big East. The "U" wanted the Big East in order to restart their hoops program which after the days of Rick Barry went belly up for a long stretch. Miami at the time (along with Penn St. & ND) was one of the few indies left. In return, the 'Canes were to give the BE some gridiron cred. Same with VaTech. But you knew that wasn't going to last. With Fla. St. in the ACC it was only a matter of time before Miami moved (natural geo. rivalries...same thing with Va Tech and UVA). Now, where's that front runner.... No, I mentioned 3 losing season in the space of over half a century. Spin it any way you like, the fact remains: 3 losing seasons in 50+ years. Name the VAST number of programs who can lay claim to that record. That overwhelming stretch of success is fit for an out-of-state front-runner, plain and simple. Doesn't bother me at all. I still love you junc, but you're full of shit here and I don't cotton to your Big East trolling bullshit, not here, not anywhere. Further, as a fellow New Yorker, when it comes to college basketball junc, you're "Fredo Corleone" to me. Cross borders and go suck up to the Mo Greens (ACC) all you want and gloat over UNC's success as well, but DON'T in the next breath try to claim how you bravely went down with the ship during the "down years." You try and run that nonsense by me here and I'll set my own boundaries and call you on that disengenuous bullshit. I never said you were a "jump on / jump off" bandwagon type. I said you were a front runner. Big difference. When a team is consistantly enjoying success and not rising and falling (which breeds the ebb & flow "bandwagon jumper" types), then there's no reason to be a bandwagon jumper: simply become (and remain) a front runner ..... even if you have to "suffer" 10 minutes of down time in a half century stretch. Never eh?? ..... why you poor, poor widdle baby--what a trumatic childhood. You're no front-runner?....you "suffered" through thick and thin?.....is that what you're trying to tell me? What a load of.....uh-oh, here it comes again, I can't help it.....disingenuous bullshit. Whether UNC choked or didn't choke their asses off and underperform in the post-season is totally besides the point. The point is, your idea of "down years" is self-serving hogwash --- most fans would've killed to have "suffered" through thick and thin" the way you did. So the Doherty-Guthridge hiccup passes and who does poor down trodden UNC go to? Why to no less a program than Kansas to get Roy Williams to return. Please, this is used car salesman-type tripe. Three losing seasons in over a half century. Three. "ewww, sorry to break that to you." You can be a obnoxious priss on top of it all if you want, but you're still full of it with these fraudulent "Stations-of-the-Cross" scenarios replete with you bearing your cross throughout the bad times You bet your "out-of-town, front-runner" ass I can. was baiting your psycho competitive hook....knew you'd bite : -) "My team?" I never brought "my team" into this discussion, so why would you even care to know who "my team" is? No this was, is and will always be about you and your sell-out, out-of-state, front-running ways. My team? My teams are .... *cue stiirring violin music* "My team" are teams that play in a packed, louder-than-loud Bronx high school gym, with maybe a St. Nicholas of Tolentine facing an All Hallows H.S....with fan's shoes straddling over the sidelines like a mini Palestra back in the day and with both teams playing TENACIOUS in-yer-face DEFENSE! My team is maybe one of the "Little Three" in upstate New York or possibly one of the "Big Five" playing at the Palestra. My team is a Fordham University team playing in the oldest Division-1 gym in the nation against another Bronx school from tony Riverdale, little Manhattan College, who btw once kicked the crap out of UNC (and Charlie Scott) in the Garden. Btw, were you--a person who claimed to have been around to see Namath play--in attendance at that game, i.e. were you fully ensconced in UNC front-runner mode by that time? Back to the Bronx: where the Rams & Jaspers are slugging it out at Rose Hill....with the Jasper fans eloquently, cleverly serenating the Fordham male cheerleaders: "the fags in tights, lift the dykes!...the fags in tights, lift the dykes!" My "team? " My team does not and will never reside in an out-of-region conference consisting mostly of big taxpayer-funded pubic schools (read: with gazillion-dollar budgets). My college basketball teams are not teams that are money-grubbing state school whores chasing the college football TV dollar. Further, I would never pretentiously crow about latching onto some overwhelmingly successful program while laying claim to some counterfeit loyalty "badge of courage" worn proudly during THREE losing seasons in an over half a century stretch. That is such........you guessed it: disingenuous bullshit. Frank McGuire (game) says (set) "hello" (match) Game over, I'm not wasting any more time owning you, you "average fan" front-runner. That said, I did think of you and bought you a Christmas present--had them cover it in "Carolina Blue" -- happy reading and Merry Christmas junc! ;-)
You also have to remember that UConn also did not have football for most of the time there was a Big East. The conference is the ultimate example as to how college football has destroyed the rest of college sports without regard for anything but $$$. Rivalries, NCAA Tournament, small schools, students, athletes, fans......screw it all for football. Fucking Jim Delaney
I'm with you, but at the end of the day, the Big East is now back to its roots as a basketball conference. Syracuse will be a popular non-conference game for St. John's, G'Town & 'Nova. I'm sure if UConn gets their act together they'll be in the same boat. I don't really mind not playing Pitt every year. It's going to take some time but I think the Big East as it's constructed now with all like minded schools, plus so many of the games being televised on FS1 has a lot of potential. Maybe not a Nat'l Championship contender ever year potential, but still a lot of fun to watch.
I'm happy for the new Big East. I'm glad they got the name, and I like the idea of a small school basketball only conference. I'm rooting for them to be successful. _
I like college football but I love college basketball. I like fact that everyteam (unless they are on probation) has a shot to win the title. Even little 11 win Liberty was only 7 wins away from a national title last year. Counter that with college football where 12 win Fresno and Northern Illinois were eliminated from the chance to play for a title before they ever took their first snap. There were people saying Alabama deserved to play for the title despite the fact that they didn't even win their division. Just stupid.... Now I do like the setup of the new BE, back to their roots with basketball as the focus and no nonsense with basketball vs football schools.
The NATIONAL CHAMPION UNC team was dismantled, losing multiple players early and losing 4 of 5 starters. That team was ranked too high and would eventually make the NIT. That was NOT exciting, I was sitting courtside for that one. exciting first half though. Since 2000 MD has as many FFs and titles as SU, Ga Tech has more FFs than Pitt that crooked ref kept Villanova in the game
Who gives a shit since 2000? Why are we looking at a 13 year window? Why not 9 or 17?I'm talking now and going forward, the schools that are entering the ACC are either better than what they're replacing or better than most of the schools already in the conference. My point is, if they continue playing as tough of an out of conference schedule, I think it's going to be increasingly difficult for Duke & UNC to be reaching that 28+ win mark per year. And the question will be does a 26 win UNC team get the same kind of rankings playing in a tougher conference as the 29 win UNC of years past?
