we don't have to agree, the BE went from 1990-2006 w/ just 4 FF apps as a conference(SU twice, UConn twice).
I'm not angry but this is a silly discussion and I have no interest in swaying anyone on an issue like this. Here are the issues: Boring versus exciting. The brand of basketball. Subjective criteria. Opinions. Gray areas. You say "facts back" you up. Not how good or how bad the basketball is, not who won more or less, not who made more tournaments or less, not who won more National Championships or less. No facts. No stats. Subjective criteria. Opinions. Gray areas. I say the Big East was an exciting brand of basketball. You say it was boring. Nothing to discuss, eye of the beholder as it were. You're smarter than that (well, at least I am). Bringing up "media hype" as "fact" is beneath both of us. Besides I have to figure out what QB we are drafting in round 1 next year. _
boring vs. exciting is very subjective, we can dismiss that. facts back up the BE being overrated not the style of basketball. I am hoping we draft a new QB every year, it's what Jet fans want:grin:
Wait a minute. Assuming the Big East was overrated, which I am NOT, by the way, but let's just say that I did agree with you on that fact... An overrated conference can't be exciting?
The facts and the stats would suggest....no conclusion at all :grin: Most exciting brand of basketball since inception, the Big East. Tough, physical, a New York City style, a play ground style. Fun to watch. I'm sure fans of other conferences will vehemently disagree, but everybody knows the universal truth. :wink: _ _
it can be exciting, every conference has exciting games. It bored me watching it though but I didn't have an interest in the outcomes, I am sure to you and stokes you loved it and all of those that did care about BE teams.
Listen, I attended Villanova University the days when Kittles, Allen, Iverson, and Wallace/Moten ruled the Big East. I assure you that I did not see a single "boring" game in my four years there that involved Villanova, Georgetown, UConn, and Syracues.
so you may have seen 3-4 exciting games a year but what about SJU, RU, prov, DePaul, etc...? The Kittles teams were exciting, they just couldn't win in March.
Don't bother arguing with a UNC fan. Everybody acknowledges the Big East in its heyday was the most exciting brand of basketball ever. We all know it. _
St. John's? The Chris Mullen Walter Berry Mark Jackson Lou Carneseca teams? Lol. Every conference has its Rutgers and Providences and Seton Halls just like the ACC has its Clemsons and Georgia Techs and Virginias and Florida States. Hell Seton Hall was a powerhouse for a very short while back in the late 80s. And not being a real basketball fan, you probably didn't know that DePaul (i) only joined the Big East a few years ago and (ii) they were one of the elite programs in the NCAA back in the late 70s and mid 80s. :grin: Typical myopic ACC fan. _
It's hey day? Like 1985-1990? When the BE had 9 teams it was exciting and a great conference. Once they added football schools like Miami, VaTech and BC the brand got watered down tremendously. Throw in Rutgers might be the most abysmal power conference school in history (along with Northwestern) and I'm going to disagree that it's the most exciting brand of basketball ever. It's not the Big 10 in that teams like Wisconsin force you to take the no dooze to stay awake but in terms of pure excitment and nothing else it's hard to ignore the Big 12. Those Kansas teams under Williams/Self, Texas had Durant and quite a few other really good college players like Augustin, Oklahoma had Blake Griffin, even Huggins resurected Kansas State, Eddie Sutton hadn't yet fallen off the deep end and Texas Tech's Darvin Ham was shattering backboards. Not the best conference in terms of championships or #1 rankings but certainly worthy of being in the discussion for excitment.
Personally I like the ACC brand, what I don't like is the home cooking and road cooking Dook gets from the refs. What I loved about the old Big East brand is the way the refs would let them play. Free throws had to be earned and not for a guy reaching in 28 feet from the basket or floppers being rewarded. To this day I will still say that the BE Tournament game between UConn and Cuse is the best college basketball game I've ever seen. It's tough the argue the ACC hasn't produced some exciting teams, they stink now but even Wake Forest was really good. Even before Tim Duncan they had some really good teams. GaTech had guys like Byron Scott and Kenny Anderson under Bobby Cremins and even made a Final 4. Virgina had John Crotty and some solid teams. Charlie Ward lit it up for FSU along with Sam Cassell. It's really a tough argument for both sides as I liked watching BE basketball because as I said they let them play. I think in terms of power basketball you can't beat the old BE but in large part because they have made rule changes to make the game more fast and open the BE has lagged behind the ACC.
The BE in the 80s was exciting, that was a very brief era though. Every conference has bad teams, no conference has as many as the BE had. You cite SH as a power in the 80s, 1 fluky run to the title game isn't really a power but they had a few good years but then you bring up UVa, ga Tech, FSU and Clem. UVa made 2 FFs in the 80s, Ga tech made a FF in the 90s and a title game in the 00s, FSU made the elite 8, Clemson has mad some sweet 16s. haha.:grin:
Oh stop, the bottom of the ACC is just as mediocre as every other conference in the NCAA. Providence went to the Final 4 one year, big deal. The ACC has been the most top heavy league in NCAA history- Duke has almost as many ACC championships than all the other teams combines, excluding UNC. UNC has almost as many ACC Championships than all the other teams combined, excluding Duke. Has Clemson ever won an ACC title? Everyone has their dogs. And all of the dogs have done something "mad". _
I was there, I almost had 5 heart attacks, sucks we lost the title to Louisville. I like a tough physical brand of college basketball, like the playground style. Let em play. _
