You sir, get an A+ at missing the point of the joke. For fucks sake man read a Rex press report now and then. :smile:
Not necessarily comparing them, just saying that Milliner has showed potential, too. He's gotten his hands on some footballs so far, if he catches them we'd be singing a different tune about him.
Yeah I have to agree - he brings nothing to this board. He's had a decent 2 games in a row so far, I agree he has shown SOME potential, but not enough to warrant him being in the same sentence as Revis. I know you are not comparing him, but a different poster was.
Look at the last Sando comment. It has an array of statistics to back up the argumentation put forward. Moreover, I'd argue that they cite other examples as well, it is just some of these examples are subjective and not statistical. Did you read the whole article? Everyone seems to be criticizing it because it is in a 'paid' section but I don't see how that has any effect on determining whether they did or did not provide support for their argument. Whether ESPN is worth it is another matter. Personally, I couldn't care less about that, I wouldn't pay ANY sports site for analysis.
Lets say the Jets succesfully sign WRs Tate,Maclin ,draft a TE in round 2 or 3.Add depth to the o line in free agency.Resign Cumberland as depth.I think the first round pick is gonna be a Safety or QB.Sign a few more mid level WRs (Tedd Ginn) Cut or Trade Holmes,Ditch Sanchez,Re Sign Barnes if healthy good For depth.I like Orakpoo to but i dont see it happening.Barnes was playing well before injury.Draft WR in 2 or 3 if no TEs.Add a veteran CB for depth.Sign Greg Olsen n Josh Mcown as backup.Is this unrealistic with a good cap situation?We signed Cribbs,Nelson,Edwards(cut),Ivory,Winslow,Goodson,Colon,Barnes,Landry,Reed, with the worst cap situation in years.Idzik seems like a guy who is pretty good at working the cap.I see an exciting offseason coming and we havent had one in almost 3 years
Milliner is getting picked on as a rookie. He needs to improve. He is not alone as a rookie CB. But Revis is not a good comparison. I recall another Darrell (Green... Was '83), getting picked on and beaten quite a bit. He seemed to turn out ok. Milliner's deficiencies are magnified by everything that is wrong with the Jets this year. It doesn't help that the rest of the DBs (including Cromartie) are not doing any better. Milliner would look better with a better supporting cast. The key to improving the secondary might be in getting a replacement for Cromartie (via trade or free agency).
I think Dee Milliner is and we have yet to see anywhere near his ceiling. Milliner's missteps have been magnified under a microscope because of Revis leaving. For the last month or so he has not even been close to the worst starting CB on this team. At this point we know what Wilson was, is and will always be.
Tough to say. Wilson's not been picked on as much but how much is that due to Milliner (and Cro's) sub-par play on the outside? Milliner, shaky as he's been, is starting to show signs that he might, just might, be capable of turning the corner down the road, so for now I think Wilson's "already reached" ceiling holds a slight but not-for-long edge, again imho.
I think Wilson has done a good job covering slot receivers for a while now. I think he looks bad on the outside though. I'm not sure if this is true, but that's just my feeling on it. I feel like I haven't heard Wilson's name in a LONG time and Milliner/Walls/Cro always seem to play the outside receivers and Wilson the inside ones
I've said this with Mark at QB and I'll say it with Geno or any other QB, especially a rookie. YOU NEED PLAYMAKERS! This offense has been consistently losing talent since the end of Rex' first season and never replaced with anything but subpar "talent". It's boggled my mind how we consistently complain of poor QB play when we have no supporting cast to help our young QB's succeed.
Wilson easily (and thats hard to say). At least Wilson wasn't so bad he lined up in the wrong place and is so awful that the coaches were forced to bench him three times!
I didn't say his numbers would be the same. You have reading comprehension issues. I said his completion percentage would likely be higher. But since he threw all of his interceptions right to players on the other team, and were not tipped, he would still be an awful Qb even with better receivers. His pocket presence (meaning lack thereof), his inability to go to the hot read, his staring down receivers, you want to blame on other people? A sizeable percentage of Jet fans has gone so long without competent play at Qb that they don't konw how to understand what is going on on the field, and as a result seem to actually prefer mediocre play. Watch another team once in awhile. Anyone, really. They all have better starting Qb's than the Jets do right now.
Mediocre is what I would call some of the JETS draft picks and their scouting personnel. You don't have to say Smith's numbers would be the same but you were still implying it nonetheless. Just like how you're "IMPLYING" that even if Smith has better receivers he would be AWFUL. Smith is a ROOKIE and I didn't expect him to come in and light it up from day 1 as a second round draft pick. He played in a spread offense in college and is getting used to a pro-style offense and taking snaps from under center. When a team is middle of the pack such as the JETS you just want to see progression from players, especially rookies. It's not like he played 14 AWFUL games as a QB and is a LOST cause. This is just year one, let's see how he plays year 2 in the preseason(HOPEFULLY with better TALENT on the field) and against other competition at the QB position. QB play is one thing but I guess you obviously can not read too well yourself because I've stated OVER and OVER AGAIN you HAVE TO HAVE TALENT ON the OUTSIDE to keep DEFENSES honest. I'm not saying GENO is not to blame for staring down receivers, or not recognizing a CB or S coming down to blitz, I'm just saying it's not like it's his fifth, sixth or tenth year in the league making the same mistakes over and over again. How many times have I watched a JETS game and guys can't get open or drop passes and the announcers are just stating this same fact. You make it sound like any QB can come in and turn the current unit of targets on OFFENSE into Pro Bowlers. THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN OPINION!!! You can't expect a car to drive when it has flat tires. AND by flat tires I mean a lack of reliable offensive talent, that is where I am putting some of the BLAME to go along with Geno's mistakes. TALENT makes a DIFFERENCE!!! Look at another QB like Andrew Luck for instance. The moment Reggie Wayne got hurt that team and that offense has looked middle of the pack playing in a weak AFC South. For every average to good to great QB, you know who his #1 and possibly his #2 target is on that team. I'm only saying, WHO IS THAT WITH THE JETS?!?!?!
These 2 quotes capsulizes my issue with Geno the draft pick. Most if not all young QBs struggle with the second quote. But to draft a guy in the second round that struggles with both quotes takes talent and effort. He is the epitome of a developmental QB. Normally, you draft a guy like this in the 2nd round who you know will need all this work (e.g., Kaepernick, Dalton) because there are certain characteristics or parts of his game that are just off the charts (e.g., arm talent, speed, leadership...etc.) which makes his potential more valuable than any immediate contributions another prospect could provide. There is not one single trait (physical or intangible) of Geno's I find so great or elite that warranted grading his potential ahead of other prospects' that filled present needs. Arm-talent, footwork, anticipation, pocket awareness, athleticism, leadership...you name it, at best anyone of those are just above average to way below average. His arm latent which I think is overrated by many is good to very good but it doesn't jump off the tape. Conversely, his footwork is atrocious. Everything else is somewhere in between.
