LOL...I could say the same thing about you on the opposite end of the spectrum. Plus I never said I don't want him. If I'm as well known as you say I am, it would be well known that I would welcome Cutler on to the Jets. I just strongly doubt he would come to NY. The biggest bias I have with regards to Cutler and the Jets comes from the fact that I'm a NYer/Jets fan that's been living in Chicago for the past 6 years. From this somewhat unique perspective, I can't see it. I can't Chicago not at least franchising him. I don't see him wanting to come to NY: a) he's a midwest kid and b) Marshall and him are super close, c) we have no weapons. I don't see Idzik paying him the kind of dollars he will demand. But you can go on with the whole you are a Sanchez fan psychobabble. Hilarious.
The problem is when you've got a rookie QB you've got to surround him with talent or he's only set up to fail. No matter who we have behind center we need more talent on offense and that's just a fact. I believe in the long run Geno will be a very good QB but I wouldn't mind a Shaub or McCown veteran player as opposed to an ancient Garrard as the backup. You can't have Simms backing up Geno , you need someone who is really going to push him and can come in and instill confidence in the team. You're not telling me that the team, especially one making a playoff push, would feel confident with Simms taking over the reigns.
The more I think about it, the less and less I want cutler. He will cost way too much money and I think we would be better off allocating that to other needs. I wouldn't be opposed to restructuring Sanchez and go into this season w mark and geno again. We need to go out and sign maclin and maybe a few other offseason weapons.
Say they bring in Cutler - basically that move would mean you are giving up on Smith. Is that what the GM wants to do? You need a QB that can come in and compete with Smith...see if Smith has the ability to win the job over a damaged QB -- failed starter, career backup. You bring in a guy like Cutler or Schaub - Geno is done. What works is paying a guy that can compete, that has started and had success in the past, but a guy that the fans aren't gonna to call the starter the day he signs. This will not be a splashy signing that makes the world happy. This will be a guy to push Smith in 2014 with better talent around.
I can't answer this question because I don't want any fillers. If we bring in a vet, I don't want him to play unless Geno or a QB we draft can't beat him out. I want a guy who has the chance to be here for 10+ years, not 1 or 2.
Why does it say the gm have up on Smith? Maybe it just says he's actually creating the competition he's been blabbing about. If smith can't beat out cutler then he doesn't belong on the field anyway. There's nothing wrong with a qb spending a few years on the bench before he starts. It used to be the norm and can work out very well for a qb like geno who needs to work on fundamentals.
You aren't going to pay cutler all that money and then go start smith. I think cutler is going to be asking for a pretty penny
Exactly -- Cutler isn't going someplace to compete for a job he is going to start. So if anyone thinks the Jets are a landing spot you give up on Smith. Schaub -- maybe you can say will come into compete but he will want to start. Problem is he will be months removed from a horrible season where he couldn't win with a lot of talent in a system that hadn't changed. You can go with Sanchez - season out, looking to compete for a job, won't get it anywhere else, has everything to prove...this is the kinda of guy that will push Smith. Not a guy that says hey I am a 32 year old backup - I am happy to have a job. Do the Titans give up on Locker? He can't get though a season and what make shim dangerous is he can run -- of course he gets hurt when he runs. Vick - no. Matt Flynn - no. Matt Moore -- oohhh exciting. Chad Henne? Who out there is legit competition and who is just a guy to hold a clipboard and be the guy the press calls "comp"?
I don't think NFL players are ever guaranteed starting positions when they sign free agent contracts. It's not like we're talking about Peyton Manning here. If he geta outplayed by Smith he sits the bench and enjoys his millions.
I don't think you get Cutler - who is a proven commodity -- and say here is $10 million bucks now come on in and compete for a job. He is going to go someplace where he is the starter plain and simple. All they need is a guy that wants to start, has a passion to start, and wants to compete -- that would generate a real competition in camp.
You're missing something LongTimeJetsFan. You have to take into consideration what Cutler is gonna want, a longer term contract (somewhere starting at 4-5 years and up) with a good amount of guaranteed money, nothing Ryan or Flacco high but probably more than Flynn's 26 mil,10 mil guaranteed over 3 years contract with seattle. anything less and its unlikely he even considers coming here unless everything falls out for him elsewhere. so with that thought the jets would have to give him a pretty good wad of cash, Money that reasonably should only be given to the players you KNOW you intend to start. on the jets part it'd be pretty stupid to give a guy tens of millions in guaranteed cash for years to potentially sit on the bench in a salary cap league. that makes 0 sense, he's either getting payed to start or he's not getting brought in at all. What that means for Geno is that he's basically backup for at least 3 years. should he outplay Cutler? well goodie we just wasted 10s of millions on a player the has no place on the team when it could have been spent elsewhere, strapping us with his contract. My point being if we get him its to start, Cutler is NOT the guy we want to bring in as competition given this likely heavy sum that will come with him, Guys like McCown, Hill or Vick make more sense because of their solid value on the field as well as the low cost and short nature of their potential contracts. thats competition bait, not the guy looking for $$$. a GM would get fired for bringing in a player for that long and for that much only to value them so low. Its one thing to work with an established longer contract like Sanchez's its a whole other thing starting a new with the thought that he might get benched in years time. cutler may not mind but thats just wasteful.
The point is that the jets need a competent starting qb and geno doesn't look like he's ready to be one. I couldn't care less if geno sits the bench for 4 years in fact I think it would be good for him. He's on a cheap 2nd round rookie contract so that's completely doable from a financial standpoint. This is how all qbs used to be developed and I believe it resulted in a better product. No GM has ever been fired for creating strength at the qb position. In 4 years geno might actually look like a pro qb and we will have benefited from him having the opportunity to learn. In the mean time maybe we can score some points instead of watching a bullshit excuse for a qb throw the ball to the other team.
What about trading for Cousins? Skins really need the draft picks. I'd give up a 2nd rounder, or a 3rd plus Simms. Let Cousins and Geno compete, and bring in another vet like Shaun Hill for insurance (if we traded Simms). Cousins was a 3 yr starter and captain at Michigan St, 2 yrs experience in the pros with some limited playing time. I think he's ready. He's known for his intangibles, and most importantly protects the football. Even if solid game manager is his upside, he's perfect competition for a starter, and on a cheap rook contract.
no trading draft picks this year. EVER not unless its for more draft picks. edit: especially for Matt Flynn, whoops I meant Kirk Cousins. In addition to his lack of game time experience he STILL needs to learn a new offense if he comes here. why give up a pick for that? especially when we can help ourselves out MUCH better with the draft than by attaining him?
we can't go into this season just hoping Smith improves. not having viable QB alternatives have derailed the last 2 seasons. do you think we can get a more ready QB in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft than Cousins? i think it would be another project pick, not ready to play. Not sure i want to use 1st round pick on drafting a QB, but guess i would if a good one was there. It is the most important position to the team, so we need to bite bullet somewhere..
i know, its why i started the thread. probably not, but maybe we find some worthwhile receiving options or line help or a young OLB or S. I'm just not keen on giving up a pick for a player thats hardly seen time. we have needs elsewhere and two QB's with limited experience, we don't need to be giving up a chance to address those other needs for another guy thats had limited time playing. we need a player with much more time and substance on their resume than Cousins. trading picks for a QB when other more tested options should be available seems like a bad idea unless we KNOW they have something. playing well like once doesn't count, sorry.
Your coaching staff needs to make a decission on whether Geno is the QB next year or not. Franchise QB's dont need compition, they need practice and timing with the offense. If Geno requires someone to compete against or to push him to play well, you better start looking for his replacement.
Why on earth do they need to make that decision next year? Many qbs have sat and learned for years while someone else held down the fort before having success.
