I agree. Idzik doesn't seem the type to go in for the big, flashy signings. I think he will use FA to add depth and competition, but look to build the team through the draft.
Howard has improved, but RT can still easily be upgraded. Mangold is much better than Brick imo, but still think his play has dropped off. I've never been a fan of Brick, and his play has really fallen off the last two seasons. I don't think he's solid at all. In fact, I think he's getting to be pretty bad. He's getting beat by speed rushers fairly routinely and has never been a very good run blocker. They can't replace him soon enough for me.
Brick and Mangold are both hurt by having Winters at LG IMO. Letting Slauson walk, as average as he was, was a mistake.
Slauson was the definition of just another guy but Winters has been brutally outmatched in pass protection due to his poor technique. One huge problem I have with our offense is that we have guys like Hill, Winters, and Smith who are physically gifted yet seem to be failing miserably. The question is are these guys as dumb as rocks or do our position coaches have a problem bringing out the best in our players? A combination of both perhaps.
Good question. I've wondered about that myself. I definitely have doubts about Sanjay Lal, particularly since so many of the young receivers have had have problems with dropping the ball and getting open. Unless the players have no talent at all or stone hands, the former should be fixable, if not the latter as well. I don't even know who the new OL coach is, but I'm wondering about him as well. Since Winters has struggled so much and Brick's and Mangold's play have declined. I don't think all of that can be attributed to having to help Winters, either. Wilkerson and Richardson are the only rookies I can think of at the moment who have come in and played well since the beginning and gotten better. I don't think that's a coincidence since we have a known DL guru in Karl Dunbar and also that's Rex's area of expertise. With Milliner I'm uncertain. Are his struggles due to his injuries early on and lack of practice time? Is Thurmond having to spend too much time as the DC and not working individually as Milliner? Is Milliner dumb or did the Jets miss on him? Is Rex's system too difficult (not likeable and learnable) or does it not fit the talents of the DBs he has on hand?
This time last season under Tony Sparano the offense was Ranked 30th overall,This year under MM the offense is ranked 30th .Its amazing that therEs teams worse then us on offense.We havent had a top 15 offense in over a decade
The success we were having ended after we played ourself into "playoff contention". The offense was playing fast and loose prior to our unexpected good start. After that it seems like Rex put our offense into "prevent defense" mode and then it all fell apart from there imo.
Winters is a rookie making the transition from LT to LG. He didn't have a chance at LT in the NFL but he might be a good LG or RG. You need to have really good feet at LG. That's probably his main question mark.
Exactly we have a 3rd rounder starting at LG who didn't play that position in College and people are mad at his production lol. Honestly some of you watch too many highlights and think rookies are supposed to play like JJ Watt or Aldon Smith off the bat, shit don't work like that this is a different speed with players who get paid 6 figures+ to figure out how to beat you.
You are completely missing the point. The fault is not with the rookie struggling and having to learn to play better. The fault is with the coaches and front office for throwing these rookies to the wolves only to repeatedly fail instead of easing them in gradually and starting other more experienced players for now even if those players are not the "future" or even on the roster next year for that matter. Is it a coincidence that Geno Smith made more flashy down the field completions when Ducasse started over Winters? If Simms seems to be better coping with the speed of the pro game while Geno is still adjusting would it kill Geno's development to give Simms a start and let Geno to come off the bench for once (if necessary)?
No I agree I made a point of that in the stephin hill thread, coaches are just not using the talent correctly. MM especially is getting a rediculous pass to Jet fans if you ask me his schemes are stale and if I can guess the play you can bet your last 2 pennies so can the coaches on the other side who get paid millions to do it.
Geno made more flashy down the field completions when he had Holmes, Kerley, Winslow and Cumberland all available. That let Hill slide under the radar and get one-on-one coverage against weak defenders because other guys were draining defensive resources from the coverage around him. One of the problems the Jets have with evaluating their offensive talent this year is that there has been so little of it on the field for most games.
You are avoiding the basic question as to whether Ducasse would have given Geno better protection than Winters over the last few games. I have not problem with giving Winters a shot but when he failed they needed to put Ducasse back in.
Ducasse is a crappy pass protector and still so after 3 years. With Winters at least you have the possibility that he will learn and grow. After 3 years that possibility was almost non-existent for Ducasse. The reason Winters got his shot in the first place is that Ducasse failed. Turning to a failure when you run into problems is just a recipe for making the problems worse. When the skill players started droppng like flies and getting suspended the offense was going to be in the muck. You can't make lemonade with lemon seeds.
My impression--and it is just an impression-is that Rex shut Geno down before the New Orleans game. Kind of like he shut Sanchez down for a stretch with his red light green light wristband. When they won the New Orleans game, he doubled down. Geno stopped attempting the passes he was actually effective with, and he also stopped running the ball when he had to. I think a lot of Geno's confidence was bravado, but Rex shutting him down cut the legs out from under him. Where he had been spotty early in the season, he now became completely ineffective. There are all kinds of personnel factors that go into this, but when your coach tells your QB that he really does not trust him to throw the ball, well……..
He gets a pass because no one, I repeat no one could win with the offensive team we are fielding these days. Geno has digressed partially because coaches have been looking at film and clearing playing to his many weaknesses but mostly because he was in no way near ready. The receiving core is non existent. The OL is suffering from mediocre G play affecting the rest of the line. The RB are suffering from defenses stacking the box and dearing Geno to throw. Geno has missed wide open WR and WR have dropped wide open catches. I think the blame lies squarely in the collective INability to develop the offense through the draft at least equivalent to the defense. We have been dreadful at drafting offensive talent.
I would have to say it is more or less the indictment of the talent depth on this roster - and consequently, Mike Tannenbaum. ---------------------------------------------------------------- By now, every offense runs in a very similar fashion [Brady's Air Erhardt comes to mind] but the core belief of WCO is that, there are two types of play - the plays that churn out yards and move chains [1] and plays that blow a knockout punch [2]. As you can easily see, the threat of [2] is only real if the offense can establish [1]. So, based on your observation of this offense thus far [under Geno] what do you think is the 'bread and butter' plays of this offense? Any robust offense must have at least a handful of them, if not more. At the inception of WCO, those quick slant plays were the staple plays that churned out the yards and moved chains. [And so forth. By the way, quick slant remains to be one of the more prolific pass plays in WCO.] When I see this offense, I see a dysfunctional unit that cannot even establish the necessary staple plays. When that happens, OC has very limited choice of plays to call. That Geno is dumb as a doorknob [plus his god damn awful mechanics] doesn't help MM much either. Ok. Maybe it is not the Air Raid background. Maybe it is something else. Geno Smith has a LOT of work to do, starting with his throwing footwork and mechanics. That's a classic definition of Project pick in my book - and yet Jets draft ANOTHER project with 2nd rounder. Call it a disaster - I am willing to call one. Whatever it is, you cannot pin that on MM. The QB is a lemon, and his skill players are lemon. What is MM supposed to make out of this roster? Lemonade?
