how is a guy who helped us win the most playoff games in franchise history a bust? at worst we got a few good years, a bust is someone like Gholston who never did anything.
The irrational hatred of Sanchez won't subside until he's long gone from this team... same thing happened with Pennington. He was declared done for then went on to be comeback player of the year and lead Miami to their only playoff berth in this decade. The hatred is still stoked because there still is a remote chance that Sanchez is in it next year, based on how things are panning out right now.
1. Any mid level QB could have done what Sanchez did on those teams. 2. If you draft a QB with a top 10 pick and you're letting him walk, he's a bust. You don't spend that pick on a QB hoping for a few good years. 3. Gholston was less damaging to the team than Sanchez. Gholston was bad enough to stay off the field. We were stuck starting Sanchez and had to suffer not only through the contract that didn't reflect his market value, but also the poor play.
I agree. O'Brien hurt himself by holding onto the ball too long, but the Jets didn't help him at all as the OLs were pretty bad in pass protection. He had lots of great games, especially against Miami. I'm not sure if Chad was on his way to being a superstar, but he was extremely intelligent, very accurate, and a coach on the field. He never had more than average arm strength (if that), and I think that is what would probably have held him back from becoming a superstar, but I think he could have led the team deep in the playoffs a number of years, if not to a SB or two if he had been able to stay healthy. Finding QBs used to be simpler when the NFL was a running league. With the advent of all the complex passing offenses and different offenses in college from the NFL, it complicated matters greatly. It's like trying to project DEs as 3-4 OLBs. Players aren't able to draw upon their collegiate and HS experience as much, and are having to learn new ways of playing. Not everyone is capable of changing quickly, if at all, at the top level. Look at all the awful QBs who manage to hang on in the NFL and have careers as backups. Most of them weren't drafted by the Jets (thank God!). Look at how few "great" or even really good QBs there are. It's the toughest position on the field. QBs don't have to be great athletes, but it helps. They do need above average arm strength, to have a great deal of football intelligence and instincts, be leaders, be able to read defenses, have very sound fundamentals to help insure that they are accurate. Then they have to have the ability to adjust from a collegiate game where they never take a snap from under center, where the field is spread, where defensive coverage is rarely that tight, and where receivers/TEs who are bigger, faster and/or stronger than others can have great success getting open. Then they get to the NFL, the speed of the game is a lot quicker (as are the players), coverage is tighter, defenses are more complex and disguise coverages, they play in a different system and have to adapt to whatever changes there are, and remember dozens, if not a hundred or more plays and every offensive players' responsibilities on every play. I think we fans take all of that for granted and perhaps have unrealistic expectations. I can't even imagine the pressure QBs have on them. As for the luck compenent, that's true, but there's also some truth that we make our own luck. Leon Hess was an absolute boob when it came to football and the Jets. He made the worst possible hires at GM and HC and didn't really care if the team won. I despised him. He is why the Jets sucked for most of their history and why their "luck" was so bad.
1) If that was the case they would've done it. Most haven't. 2) In that context, yes it's a failed pick. The story isn't completely closed yet though so hold on... 3) Anytime you blow a top 10 pick, it sets the team back considerably. Sanchez at least accomplished SOMETHING in his time here.
Already saying that Smith is the worst ever and a bust is just ridiculous imo. The kid has a ton of talent and has shown flashes. It's not his fault that he was thrust into starting before he was ready, before he had any talent around him, and before he had a HC who had a clue about offense and handling young QBs. I knew that Smith wasn't ready to start. He needed a lot of focused work on fundamentals free from the week-to-week pressure to perform and produce. He needed to be comfortable and confident in those fundamentals before he had to worry about reading Ds and leading the team down the field. I think it's amazing and a tribute to Mornhinweg, Lee and Geno's natural ability that he was able to play as well as he has in spots. With an offseason to fix his fundamentals and work on recognition of/reading of D alignments I think he will be fine next year.
Lots of Heisman Trophy Winners have busted in the NFL too. Brady wasn't very good in college. I don't think there was any way anyone could have seen how he would develop. He is the classic example of a late bloomer. He may be the beneficiary of being in the right place at the right time. If he had come to the Jets in 2012, between Rex and Sparano, he might have been yet another bust with a strong arm. The Jets probably would never have taken Brees as he was too short, and even if they had, when he struggled for a year or two, they probably would have dumped him and fans would have been calling him a bust.
if that is true why do much better QBs w/ more talent around them not have as much success? why did a HOFer a year earlier w/ an easier sched on no Brady not even get us to the playoffs? Mark didn't damage anything, he helped us reach 2 title games- something no other QB in jets history has ever done.
OMG shoot me now if he is our #1 next season. You can't name 1 QB ever to have a worse 7 game span. Well I can actually find 1 guy, Ryan Leaf had a seven game span his rookie year when he had 1 TD and 12 Ints. In the last 7 games Smith has throw 11 Ints and 1 TD. His two win during that time he complete 25 of 52 passes for 48%. We won despite him. Call him Leaf v2.0, he's better than v1.0, but not by much. At least we didn't waist our top 10 pick on this bust.
He's been bad recently but I wouldn't completely close the book on him just yet. I feel that they need to alter their approach when it comes to developing Geno. Maybe sitting him for a year or 2 so he can develop could do wonders for him.
It really is a shame...Pennington could have been something special. He had enough arm strength for a WCO. I could easily see Pennington taking us to the SB both years Sanchez got us to the AFCCG. Pennington would have been directly in his prime. So many good players never panned thanks to injury. Ce la vie...the nature of the beast. It is sooo rare...to find those QB's though...and many talented guys really go unnoticed when you get down to it. Trust me...if Bledsoe doesn't get knocked out of that game Brady rides that pine for at LEAST 2 more years and more than likely is on another team as trade bait. I've mentioned it before...when you are not the starter you really do not get ANY "looks"...in practice, in camp...no where. Unless there is an actual competition...a REAL competition, the lower guys never get a shot unless there is injury. That, too, is the nature of the beast. Having said that...only two teams have been incredibly lucky...Indy and Green Bay. To have Peyton Manning and then Luck (who appears to be the real deal) and then to go from Favre to Rodgers....I mean whewwww. But, remember before the originals showed up. Both the Colts and the Packers sucked for YEARS!!!! A decade or two. I remember when Jan Stenerud was THE only real talent on the Packers. I can't even tell you who was on the Colts prior to Manning. It really can be luck sometimes. In reality Favre should have been leading the Falcons...just saying. The problem with the Jets is we haven't really drafted much in the way of "marginally" talented QB's other than Pennington and Sanchez. Say what you want but if Mark Sanchez had Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison to toss to he wouldn't be nearly as bad as he is. That's a fact. I also credit Sparano for completely destroying him last year but that's another discussion for another time. If the Jets could have drafted a marginal QB this year we'd be sitting on a different story. If we could have even Christian Ponder production...with this defense...we'd be in the thick of it. Yes, WITH our O-line. I wish I knew the formula to get a serviceable starter. Some are talking about top flight QB's...I have no such lofty goals...I just want a GOOD to Franchise guy...somewhere in there will make me happy.
If only we kept Favre for 2009 and drafted a QB in 2010. Yep, QB is a very important position. People wonder why the Jets haven't won it all in 40+ years? Look no further than the QB position. I mean they picked O'brien over Marino. Nuff said. Pennington could have been that guy, but he couldn't stay healthy. Statistically, we should be favored to strike gold pretty soon... at least we can hope.
when will people understand that Favre didn't want to be here and didn't give us his best effort in 2008. if he had we could have won the SB. Not to mention he's a choker and has blown many playoff games w/ much more talent around him than he had w/ us or would have had in 2009.
Geno had ONE good game, he had some good moments in other games but start to finish he had ONE good game.
You do realize he "retired"?!?! Rex even asked him to stick around another season. Wanted to feed his ego and play in the NFC north or nothing.......Fuck that guy* * but I dont blame him for wanting to get away from schotty
Good day to you championjets69! Forgive me if I'm mistaken but if this post of yours is directed @ me it's prob'ly due to the fact that you are not aware that I've been a JET-JUNKIE since '66. I "WITNESSED" the miracle of SB3 in it's entirety (on a rabbit-eared, BW 13" tv mind you:smile. I've ENDURED it ALL from the "Heidi game" (I STILL can't fathom why NBC made that horrendous programming switch)to the present! Dude, I'm JET-old-school x 2!:smile: Since way back when, the Jet's have done decent (until recently) over the years @ the W/R-TE positions such as Maynard/Sauer, Lammons, Bake Turner, Wes Walker, Harper, Caster, J Barkum, Gaffney, Toon, Coles, Keyshawn, Chrebet, Cotchery etc. however when it comes to the QB position, for decades, Jet mgmt seems to have no clue! I'm not looking for the next UNITAS, LAMONICA, BRADSHAW, MARINO, BRADY, RODGERS or even a COLIN/LUCK but some-1 who BASICALLY has; 1)-Decent passing skills 2)-Adequate field intelligence for adjusting "on the fly". 3)-Ability to realize, recognize & reconcile the causes of turnovers leading to the avoidance of same. 4)-Longevity. That's all I ask for. Your basic, adequately-skilled QB. Other than Namath, please some-1...name 1 Jet QB who's name can be attached to the Jet-Collective who's enjoyed even a MODICUM of success for more than - AT LEAST- 4 years!!! Not a got-d@mn 1! This has gotta' change.
We really took Pennington for granted. I'd kill for a QB of his calibre now with a consistently solid D to compliment him. Even after the injuries ruined his arm, he still protected the football. His 65% completion rate on dink and dunks looks all-world after watching Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith. He rightfully stuck it to us in 2008 after we kicked him to the curb.
