the large cap hit only affected top 1st round picks so selecting a QB in the 2nd and 3rd rounds today isn't a result of cheaper top 1st round picks.
The NFL Draft is a crazy thing generally-speaking, and choosing a QB in particular is always going to be a crap shoot. For every sure shot that pans out (e.g. Bert Jones), the NFL Draft landscape is littered with "sure fire" high 1st round flops: Dan McGuire, who the Seahawks followed up with 2 years later with another flop Rick Mirer, Akili Smith, Andre Ware, Marinovich, Art Schlichter, JaMarcus, Leaf, Vince Young, Leinhart, Drucknmiller, Tim Couch, etc. Take the 2000 "Brady" draft: the Jets had four 1st round picks and didn't do bad: 1. Shaun Ellis, John Abraham, Chad Pennington (then Becht -3/4 good). In the 3rd round the Jets picked the only Pro Bowler in Leaveranues Coles. The Giants, who were only a year away from the Super Bowl? Not so good. 1st: Ron Dayne, 2nd: Cornealius Griffith. The Jets picked Tony Scott (CB) in the 6th, the NYG grabbed Dhani Jones (LB). The Patriots picked Tom Brady. The scouts know eveything and the scouts know nothing....not when a Brady falls to the #199 pick, this a guy who didn't go to some small college either. The following year (2001) draft: Chargers pick LeDamien Tomlinson and Drew Brees with their first two picks--home runs. Only the Chargers throw away Brees in favor of David Rivers. Today: Rivers?...meh. Brees? Not too shabby.
And if you'll remember, they had Joe Willie Gillie and Terry Hanratty pushing Bradshaw when he got started. You ever read Three Bricks Shy of a Load? There was a teamed poised with a dominant defense and moving heaven and earth to find the QB to get them to the promised land.
Yep, they shuffled QB's almost desperately trying to find the guy who'd be the one. Gilliam got hurt in '74 and Bradshaw got the job back and never gave it up again until 4 rings had rolled in.
Nope what ruined MS is his lack of being able to make good decisions when he is under pressure & U can blame RR for not testing him in this area before drafting him :sad:
Pennington and Namath were good choices. O'Brein was a disaster when you consider our direct division competitor picked possibly the best QB of a generation after we picked.
i c what u are saying and its definitely a valid point and approaching it that way will make all other draft choices that much more valuable, including compensatory picks. there is some risk involved there but if u hit a brees or a wilson so what, right? roster are thin as it is and teams will have to struggle with the decision to take that 2nd/3rd/4th round talent QB as opposed to the needed OL or depth at a position like CB.
most jet purists wouldn't call obrien a disaster but i agree with the entire backdrop of ur comment. we had a double whammy that year - losing in january in miami and then not taking marino in april. I guess the jets were scared off by his drug rumors and also questioned his ability to adapt to waltons system - i was told directly by wesley walker himself that his system was a basic offense for that period - but the terminology they used was different than most which is what made it a bit challenging for younger guys. ridiculous though - even in 83 u had to have known the QB's in ur territory - balckledge at PS and marino in pitt. jets should have done better scouting that one out across the board. it would have been a lethal offense from 84-86.
when is the last time we had an offense full of weapons? 1999? maybe if we surround the QB w/ more pieces even average ones will look better. Guys like Brady that can win w/ anyone are extremely rare, most QBs need tons of weapons to succeed and we continue to ignore the parts around the QB.
Maybe if management was scared off by Marino adapting to the Joe Walton system, Joe Walton would have been let go sooner.
another tidbit i remember about that marino/obrien thing... it was out back in the day that the jets barely even scouted marino and had obrien penciled in pretty early on. who knows. these things get distorted over the years multiple times over.
My business partner is a huge dolphins fan and a Marino fanatic.. according to him.. all the reports about Marino at the time were true.. the reason why 27 teams passed on him was.. he was a recreational drug user(cocaine, marijuana) party animal and was said to have been stupid.. his wonderlic score was 15. To put in perspective I got a 28..not sure how many people would say I'm a genius. Lol 15 is pretty bad.. most nfl players score in the 20s..and for qbs they prefer them to be 30 plus... you can google high and low scores and see what company he sits in with a 15. Lol
Mark Sanchez was a bad draft pick only for fantasy football owners dumb enough to draft him but not 4 the Jets. It's not like we got him via some horrendous Hershel Walker trade; we didn't give up much. I'll take 4-2 playoff record and 2 AFCG appearances everyday of the week and twice on Sundays over 4,000+ YDS, 30+ TDs & 60+ CMP% a season and no playoff appearances.:smile::smile:
Well lets see. U have to go way back to the 1968 season when U were not around to find JWN, Emerson, Matt, Don, George & a super TE in Pete Lammons. Your problem IMHO is you know zero about the 1960s team & espeically the 68 team which I wish to remind U won SB3
Also, the Jets are 32nd in the NFL and the ONLY team in the entire NFL not to have 200 points scored (189) yet. Even Jacksonville has crossed the plateau at 201. When you're that bad at scoring, the problem goes beyond the quarterback. We have a good offensive coordinator in town now, so that isn't the problem. Talent talent talent. On offense, it stinks.
Lets look at some of the recent ones that were starters: Vinny Testaverde: Obviously was a good signing at the time. Chad Pennington: I think he was really great, he just had bad luck with injuries. Brett Farve: Had a lot left in the tank, and he went on to show it in 2010. He just had no WR's and was injured in the middle of the season. Mark Sanchez: We were in a bad spot where we needed a QB, there weren't any great free agents, and we couldn't get Stafford. Sanchez probably came out too early in hindsight, but at the time we were short on options. Sanchez was below average with some good talent around him, but fell apart in 2012 with the CFL level talent at skill positions. Geno Smith: He was a steal where we drafted him. He's got CFL level talent like Sanchez did last year at the WR position. Overall I don't think we can knock Testaverde, Pennington or Farve (although I was sad to see what we did to Pennington). Sanchez will end up being a bust for us as a pick since we won't resign him, and we don't really know about Geno yet. Also we could have just started Kellen Clemens and gotten the same production out of him that we did from Sanchez in 09 and 10, but what would the fan base have done?
Good thread by the OP. Chad was on the verge of big things but in retrospect, his arm strength was a huge limitation to him ever being an elite QB in this league. It's a combination of luck, good front office and a good scouting dept.
