Ftr I am totally in disagreement with any notion that the Jets should have Muck in their future plans. Been there done that hated it most of the time. No thanks. And in any event he won't be back. So let's move on to a more real world discussion. Regarding Idzik - I had no expectations regarding this season, and so that means Idzik and Ryan are insulated from criticism because they won five games? I don't think so. atlanta was overrated, obviously, as was TB in preseason predictions. Buffalo was playing people off the street in their secondary and obviously their line did not know how to counter the stunts and rush of the Jet DL. By the second game they did. Only wins over quality teams were NE and NO at home. I loved them both as a fan, but there were problems with both. Sproles out for one and NO is obviously not as good a team on the road as at home, and the NE game was against a division opponent who requires no motivation to beat. Ivory was also a huge factor in the NO game. So those five wins were not impressive. What about the losses? I am not going over them, but some key factors here were: An 0-4 Pitt team comes to the Meadowlands? Jets lose. Blowouts. The losses are one thing, but blowout losses? Multiples? And look what they have done to the stat on points differential. Jets are among the worst in the league. The point is the number of wins does not overcome a more complete analysis of this team. Even if you argue the wins deserve more credence than I give them, what do you make of the fact that the team right now, as the season moves into its last quarter, is on a downward spiral? What do you make of a young team that gets worse as the season goes on? The point i am making is I do not see this team showing enough areas of improvement from last year. The DL is it as far as that is concerned, and that is not enough.
That's not the point. It was not worth spending a 2nd round pick on a QB that is far worse then Mark Sanchez from the very start. During the draft process that was mentioned several times. Of course Mark wouldn't of been in the future plans because we would be getting ready to draft a new QB in this draft. That 2nd rounder could of been spent on an offensive play-maker to being the rebuild process on offense. This isn't hindsight this is called having a plan.
So people are mad at Idzik because only one of his 3 picks in the 1st 2 rounds is a ROY candidate.... Jets fans are impossible to please.
It is interesting how he seems to get no credit for Richardson who is already turning into a dominant player on the D-Line. The Milliner pick is going to be big for him though. If Milliner is a bust and Geno is a bust that would look kind of bad...
The Richardson pick is a little under the radar considering, we needed to replace Revis, got Milliner , who by all accounts, is completely lost, the QB, was essentially a must, draft a complete idiot in Geno, who makes most fans, miss Sanchez, finding another DL who was not a drastic need, considering we drafted Coples the year before? Ya it wasn't a great draft by any means.
One of the interesting things I do not see here and it should be discussed as I've had my own opinions for the last 10 years or so of is.......... The Scouting Department I've long held notions that our scouting department needs a major overhaul. There are so many teams in the league that are finding serviceable starters in the later rounds and that just has never been the Jets forte. I DO give Idzik a pass for this year simply based on when he was hired. He had little to no time to get "into" the scouting department among other things. Now, I'm being a LOT premature here but, health willing, Richardson looks like and plays like he could be a game changer and a potential HOF'er. Even if the latter doesn't happen, getting ONE guy, out of the number of picks we had, like that makes it a moderately successful draft. Milliner is playing the second most difficult position on the field. Considering how much time he missed early and our recent "spoilings" with Revis I'll give him another year to see...the 2013 draft might just prove to be something. Richardson was Rex's pick by the way...that was reported on extensively back during the draft. I've commented ad nauseum about most of the other positions other than WR and TE. We absolutely HAVE to get a Jimmy Graham clone playing that position. The trickle down effect on everybody would be phenomenal. Agreed with a big strong possession WR as well. Yet again, we go back to the scouting department. I have no clue what Idzik has done with those loons while the season has been going on but I hope he's done something as I've little to no confidence in them. We only have so many picks and SOME of those later round ones must pan out. I say Rex stays...along with MM. Now is NOT the time to blow up the coaching staff. Not considering the process. If you we do that you basically flush this year's work. Besides...IF you actually take a step back, remove emotion and see...Rex has done a reasonable job with what he has had to work with. At this point the Simms vs. Smith topic can be debated but 5 wins is more than anyone ever thought we would have. On a final note, I mentioned in another thread about F/A QB's...I don't see why nobody is talking about Shuan Hill as a potential QB for competition next year. It's considerably more realistic than Cutler (whom I am not a fan and the NY Media would REALLY eat that guy alive), Foles is not going to happen and neither would a Cousins trade. Really no one else is out there that isn't a useless retread...of course that is debatable as well. Just my opinion. But damn it...someone DOES need to look into our Scouting Dept!!
I really do like Suan Hill. He would be by far the best QB on the roster since we had Favre and upgrade the position in the short term. But for him or anyone to be successful our OL has to greatly improve. They do not need to be as good as 2012 but much better than what we have seen this year. The biggets determinative of our offensive play this year has been the play of the OL. The 4 games we had some decent pass protection the offense has looked like a real offense. The other 8 games we have looked an offense run by well i won't name him. Defensively bothers me even more. Cro is almost certainly gone next year unless they can work out some compromise on his bonus. That leaves a bad secondary possibly even worse. But the killer is if If Rex is gone the D will be in shambles. I don't even want to think about how bad this team could be next year without Rex. While it might be a great move for Rex to go to Tampa Bay it will mean a many years of top 10 picks for the Jets.
the scouting dept was overhauled right after the draft. 90%(i think) of the scouts were not offered new contracts and new scouts were brought in. so this offseason will be pretty much all idzic guys, we can start judging him this september
I think you're right to raise the question regarding the Jets' scouting dept. We all know how the Jets have failed time after time in the draft in a myriad of ways. Was it Tanny? Joey Clinkscales? Bradway? or all of them? Well, Idzik replaced several of them, so it will be interesting to see how the Jets fare in the 2014 draft. I'm hopeful, but that hope is tempered by the fact that some of those he hired didn't seem to have done a great job with their previous team. Idzik wasn't the guy I wanted hired as the Jets' new GM, but so far, I think he's done a pretty good job, with some successes and some misses in FA. It's too early to know about last year's draft. If Woody gives him full powers I see the coming offseason as make or break for the Jets. The decision he makes regarding Rex and the CS will be huge, bigger even than what he does with the available cap space in FA and how he uses his draft picks. I totally disagree with you regarding Rex. I think now HAS to be the time to get rid of Rex. Rex isn't the only good defensive mind in the NFL. While I think Marty Mornhinweg has done a great job as the OC this year, I want to see an offensive-minded HC, someone who knows how to handle young QBs. I don't want another Mangini or a Coughlin, but I do want a HC who will hold players accountable, who will insure that the players are disciplined, and who will have the team ready to play each week in a consistent fashion. I'd hope that the new HC would be free to pick his own staff, but would really hope that he retains Karl Dunbar, Mornhinweg and QB coach Lee. As far as vet QBs, I wouldn't want Cutler at all. The only two guys on the FA list that I'd have any interest in are Hill and Chicago's McCown. I think one of them should definitely be signed.
You can't have 3 picks in the first 39 and only get one starter out f the mix. This is how you build a team - you need to get impact players in those spots. They got one on the strongest part of their team and none in the weakest
I still say the jury is still out on Milliner. I'll weigh in on him during next year. A lot of top corners got their asses handed to them their first year or two. Geno...well...if we haven't damaged his psyche this year then maybe he competes for a starting job or we have just "made" our version of David Carr. A career backup. So, for now we have the one...possibly two. We'll see..
His psyche, are you fucking kidding me he looks like he can give two shits on the sidelines when he got benched, hold a clipboard at least? His demeanor might be the worst I have ever seen from a rookie on the sidelines, his face screamed I don't give a damn.
I'm serious man, if his play wasn't bad enough on Sunday his attitude on the sideline was disgusting, at least give a little support I truly arm starting to believe he might not even be on the roster next year(rookie wage scale yay?).
Sorry, I have to laugh a little. Up until the bye week the team was worth talking about. It's not that we lost the last three games it's who we lost to and HOW we did it. But to your point...it's quite possible! I don't remember what the "guaranteed" money is on his contract but it isn't much. He could absolutely be gone next season.
He won't be gone because he is a viable backup candidate for very littl emoney for the next 4 years. They do need a stop gap for 2014. The rookie QB class for 2014 just lost the kid from oregon and has two ACL tears in the mix. Teams are going to start reaching for QBs a bit earlier in the draft and it should allow for some skill players to slide. Jets need to take advantage of this and snap up skill left and right.
I agree with pretty much everything you said. the scouting department does need a major overhaul. The Jets never seem to be able to find steals later in the draft, i'll give them credit for Damon Harrison though who was a UDFA. Hill is an interesting option. Rex has had nothing to work with at the QB spot, just giving him an average QB could do a world of good for our team. Although i'd rather go with a guy like Cutler, Hill would be a nice fallback option and is definitely somebody who should be considered.
