We use on the OL: D'Brick Winters Mangold Colon Howard Why can't we block consistently on the pass as we do on the running game?...It can't always be Winters the rookie. Do Geno or Matt Simms hold the ball too long before throwing? I sometimes think alot of these guys on the offensive line are the key veterans of the team and they know they are pretty much set up to fail with the product around them...So they play lackadaisically and with less fire.
Cause Ferguson can't block anymore. He's super overrated. Rookie Still good, but not nearly as good as he used to be. Mediocre Only knows how to run block
One play really stood out to me last game, which was the jailbreak up the middle where Simms got buried immediately. What the Fins did was to stunt the RDE or OLB around through the 1 gap to Mangold's right while the LDT went straight at Mangold and the RDT locked up Winters. Mangold was likely cheating a bit to his left to help out Winters and the rusher got a free run right up the middle at Simms. Actually, looking at the play-by-play I'm not sure it was Vernon who got the free run. It was somebody coming off the right side of the Fins line.
This is what frustrates me so much. Other teams do jailbreak blitzes on us and our QB immediately gets sacked. But when we do similar jailbreak blitzes, other teams' O-lines usually hold us back for a few seconds so the QB has enough time to always find the wide open guy.
That's because the whole league caught up to RR's blitzes two years ago. Someone forgot to explain this to Rex
I remember the first game he ever coached against the Texans and I was amazed at the mayhem that was caused. Other than that first season where they blitzed very effectively a lot, very few 'exotic' blitz's have been successful since...
our pass blocking wasn't bad at all yesterday. yesterday was more about no receivers being able to get open(outside of a few plays here and there).
Pass blocking is so bad due to the fact that their are always 8 or sometimes 9 guys in the box daring Geno or whoever else is in their to beat them with the pas which cannot happen with these guys at Qb. 8 or 9 in the box it is too hard to pic up or pick out who is coming and they miss someone and they are all over Geno and Simms. When you drop back to pass you need a quick safety valve for a jailbreak blitz and it appears Geno is not looking for it he just goes down on 3rd and 5 or more.
Yep this exactly. Its easy to make an O line look bad when a QB holds onto the ball forever and no receivers get open. The teams that give up the fewest sacks always seem to have top QBs for a reason.
Yet the qb who has been sacked the most this season. Was able to escape our rush a couple times to turn it into long scrambles. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
It doesn't help when your QB has no confidence to throw a good pass to a spot where only his guy can get to it.
And it's even worse when that spot doesn't exist because the receivers can't get open. If I had a dollar for every time somebody has said "so-and-so was wide open on the throw Geno made to the other guy" when in fact the coverage only came off of the "open" guy when Geno let the ball go I'd be a rich man. Again, not excusing Geno because his play has just sucked since mid-season but people are seeing things that just aren't there. And why can't Stephen Hill get open against anybody who is paying attention to him? WTF is up with that? Doesn't 4.3 speed and the strength to be a vigorous run blocker mean anything when CB's take their lives in their hands and routinely jam him at the line of scrimmage? He can't be that bad at gaining leverage, getting a little push in and making the guy back off for the rest of the game.
According to Pro Football Focus for the season... Mangold has been above average in pass blocking, but his run blocking has been terrible. Colon has been a very good pass blocker but terrible in run blocking as well Winters has been just terrible in both Ferguson's run blocking has been poor but his pass blocking has been solid Howards run blocking has been poor but the pass blocking has been good (his run blocking had been solid all season until the past couple of weeks)
Receivers are not getting open - that's one problem. But have you guys ever wondered why blitzing the likes of Drew Breeses, Peyton Mannings or Tom Bradys do not work well in general? I can think of handful of guys that get hit consistently and still perform [Tony Romo and Aaron Rodgers.] Other than that... these 'good' guys just don't seem to get hit at all. Why, or how? [What's even more puzzling is, it does not matter if they had to swap in a green rookie for a vet in the OL. Still the same result regardless.] I am not going to say it's all on Geno - because it isn't. But you cannot ignore that Geno is a part - let's say bigger part than we all imagine - of the problem as well. Michael Devlin - and he used to be a TE coach. For SIX YEARS with the Jets, if I might add. Good fucking riddance. Jets are the ONLY organization where mediocrity and incompetence are rewarded with promotion. This is only a part of the problem. I would point out that blaming Geno for his mistakes on 3rd and long is just asinine and classless. That is not his fault. If your offense is constantly facing 3rd and long, that means they have to execute better during first two downs, and call better plays there as well. This necessarily dictates that they have a staple of plays that can churn good 5-6 yards on any given down, a.k.a. 'bread-and-butter' plays - which Jets have none. That's where the entire offense fails. Case in point: if the DBs are jamming at the line so tightly, RUN A FUCKING PICK PLAY. Make them pay. If they are bringing 9 guys to the box, CALL A FUCKING SCREEN. Make them pay. Are the Jets doing ANY of these? When is the LAST fucking time I saw a pick or rub play from Jets WRs? I don't quite recall ANY.
1st play, designed deep ball and the OLine can't even protect. I don't necessarily buy that the QB is making the OLine look badly lately. I just think our tackles are absolute ass. Howard isn't an every snap tackle as he's too inconsistent, Winters is a rookie who is lost in pass protection, Colon just is one dimensional with his good run blocking at this point, Mangold is a good Center and DBrick has been lousy for 2 seasons now and might need a move at RT.
Feels like this is upside down. I think our OLine has been good in run blocking(Though Ivory helps with his nonstop running) but it is the pass protection that has left a lot to be desired.
