Nope, got other needs to take. If your asking me to choose between Carr/Manziel or say Sammy Watkins, I am taking the latter every time. Watkins is a special type of WR talent that while he isn't AJ Green/Julio Jones/Michael Floyd type, he can be as good if not better than what his former Tiger buddy Hopkins has been for the Texans and we can absolutely use that. I am alright with bringing a Luke McCown type to the team to be actual competition for Geno and to give us a worthwhile option to turn to if an injury occurs but to spend another high pick on a QB just doesn't make sense. Washington spent a 4th on Cousins and have not found the right compensation for him and with this draft having with as many QBs as it is, they may never get it. Same with the Pats and Ryan Mallett. Same with Denver and Osweiler. Having a young signal caller as trade bait just doesn't work these days as all teams think they have their future at the position. We have too many needs and don't have enough quality depth to be fucking around with a high draft pick on a QB.
We didn't spend a high pick on a QB, Idzik took a gamble on a second rounder that maybe he'd strike lightening. Instead it looks like he struck out. This is a QB league, all the Sammy Watkins in the world aren't fixing what's broken. These QBs are better prospects at a more important position than Watkins. And as you even admit, he's not even a AJ Green or Julio Jones type. You take the QB and you fix the position, you don't put duct tape on the leaky faucet. _
Can't believe I am actually doing this but to shut you up since you clearly weren't around during draft day: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/26/4270928/jets-nfl-draft-rumors-geno-smith-trade That comes from Schefter who has good if not great inside sources among the league. That's not to say his word is the bible or if Idzik was blowing smoke but Idzik said the Jets could not believe Geno fell to 39 and were more than happy to make the pick and I think that has to hold some merit moving forward. And uhh the the 7th pick of the 2nd round IS a high 2nd round pick. The 58th pick is a late 2nd, the 39th is a pretty high pick that you expect to find a quality player in the draft. Just because you disagree with me on my take of Geno Smith and where we should go afterwords does not make me stupid or a moron. We can agree to disagree and have a conversation without the name calling but I might be expecting much. Calling me a Geno fanboy and all.....please. I have been a fan of this team for god knows how long and have been on this forum posting about the Jets, the draft etc. for quite a few years. I am for the team first and foremost but I also know that QBs need time to figure the game out and I actually have patience. I said the same thing for Sanchez, I defended him for much of his time here. He got a raw deal here but what's done is done and a new GM made Geno one of his picks and will want him to succeed. Russell Wilson was viewed high by Caroll and Schenider and Co. Why didn't they do all they can to get him? Idzik comes from this organization of thought. You can get your guy if you wait it out, it is risky as hell absolutely but I figure Idzik probably knew what Geno's stock was and felt he could get him after day 1. Giving up the farm for a player is and has been stupid. Giving up the farm for Julio Jones has screwed the Falcons from a depth standpoint where they could not take any injuries. Giving up the farm for RG3 has hurt the Redskins where while they got their "Franchise"(He has been behind the 8 ball year 2 from a physical and mature standpoint) QB but lost valuable picks that could have went for the OLine or defense.
2nd round picks are not 6th or 7th round picks. You expect a top 40 pick to be something on your roster. We expected Ducasse to be a starting tackle or at the very least guard on the team. We expected Stephen Hill to be our starting WR on the team for years to come. Colin Kaepernick was taken round 2 by San Francisco to BE SOMETHING. He wasn't just a random shot in the dark and a roll of the dice. Russell Wilson in round 3 was some random shot in the dark by Seattle? It has been 11 games, he hasn't struck out of anything yet. It is too freaking premature to say that. Yeah he hasn't shined but he isn't alone on this offense. The team Idzik inherited was full of garbage from Tannebaum in some areas and because of lack of cap room flexibility, Idzik could not do much in the FA front. Give him time with these picks before wanting anyone gone. That's all I am saying.....we are rebuilding but the nice start got people thinking we have a very talented team when it was pure smoke and mirrors. You can't cheat a rebuilding process. You can rebuild on the run sure but you can't shortcut anything. Mr. T got foolish and began trading up every year for the Shonn Greene's and Stephen Hill's and Dustin Keller's and it took its toll on our depth as we lost mid round picks in the process. It was and has been his downfall alongside some lousy contracts given. Are we going to keep drafting QBs with high picks until we get one who studs right away? That isn't the way to build a team. It is vital to get yourselves a player at the QB spot but you also need to realize it takes time to get that player to become what you want. RG3....Kaepernick....all guys have seen better days this year. Luck has had his hits and misses this year even. Same with Russell Wilson. The league catches up with you with enough game tape and footage and it takes time to transition to it. Buffalo may not take a QB in round 1, they seem to understand to be patient with Manuel and to not get schizo when it comes to how he's performed this year.
Who on the offense has convinced you that they are honestly apart of our future relatively speaking? I've watched Clausen in ND(Irish fan) and I still felt he got a really raw deal in Carolina. He got thrown behind an AWFUL OLine that was banged up, had Steve Smith half ass it on routes because of the awful year and the team had next to nothing weapon wise. John Fox was a dead duck walking. Matt Moore, a decent enough QB could do absolutely nothing with that team. Sadly for Clausen, Newton was the consensus no.1 pick and top talent and Carolina got the pick and took Newton and with a new regime at hand, Clausen was not viewed as such anymore. Clausen was pretty good at Notre Dame. Cocky attitude granted and didn't have the ideal size or athleticism but he performed well for the team for 2 years. Just didn't get the amount of time needed and Carolina got the top pick and Newton was there and that's it. There's no Cam Newton in the 2014 draft, or at least someone who brings what Newton does to the table. It is one thing to be letdown with his lack of play and to unclear if he's the future of the team but to want to throw him out like some people have suggest just isn't right and does nothing for this team. I think patience is a virtue when your a GM in sports. You need to not get schizo with your expectations as a GM/coach and learn to take the ups with the downs. We all knew Geno year 1 was going to be a roller coaster ride. Some up, some down, some really down. The same with the Jets as a whole. The entire team is a work in progress, Geno included. Sadly, some fans truly think a better QB all of a sudden makes this team a super bowl contender or a far better team. We have so many inconsistent if not under performing pieces elsewhere that deserve as much notice. Why is the QB the only position that gets dissected here?
It's a freaking rumor spread by somebody trying to put smoke into the arena. Yet you think it was IDZIK that said those things? I see you qualify your factual statements a lot with "I figured". By the way, you call folks "stupid", I call them morons. Don't like it, don't start it. There is no conceivable way a franchise QB that Idzik was "torn" about taking at 13 he doesn't move heaven and earth to get later in the 1st round or earlier in the 2nd. Geno did not "fall" to the second round, he was drafted exactly where he should have been- those "rumors" about him being the number 1 pick were just that, uninformed rumors spread by talking heads looking at his stats from gaudy games against James Madison and Marshall LOL. Idzik took a gamble with the 7th pick of the second round trying to see if he could find a diamond in the rough. And he didn't. You keep believing those rumors though. BTW, nice avatar fanboi. _
Lol Jimmy Clausen got a raw deal. Because you used to watch ND football. I guess you think Tebow got a raw deal too. _
In Denver? Yes but it was for one of the best QBs of all time so it was an massive upgrade you had to do. New York he didn't get a chance to do anything but he wasn't really owed anything. Should have never made the deal though, that 4th round pick would have been better served elsewhere.
Much like with me, you too have no idea if the smoke was actual or not. What gives you the confirmation all of a sudden to debunk what an insider brought up? I simply brought it up that rumors were flying about this. I never said they were concrete but what makes you sure that they are 100 percent accurate that they were pure smoke? It was rumored for much of the morning that Geno was going to be picked by the Jets at pick 39 if he was there....and what do you know. He was picked. I didn't start anything. You specifically called me a moron, I spoke about people who want that are not being smart as a generalization. Hence it is flamebaiting pal. You chose to take offense to that. It is not good to spend a high 2nd round pick and then give up on the pick after 1 year. That's my opinion, I never said it was fact. I did bring up examples to Laxin that I don't know if you read though as to having signal callers wait on the bench and never get a chance or bring back anything as of late to their teams. Was EJ Manuel taken where he should have been? Was Mike Glennon? Has Matt McGloin shown he should have been drafted over say a Tyler Wilson? QBs fall because again teams think they have the future at the position so the need of a QB doesn't always come up for a lot of teams. You don't take gambles with the 39th pick. Again you expect your 2nd round picks to be contributors on the team. Maybe not superstars but you expect them to start if not help your team. 2nd round picks aren't picks you throw out with a snap of a finger. Nice, thoughtful little response at the end. Took you 3 seconds to bring up my avatar? I'd go and make fun of your team's ineptitude in football but that would be off topic.
Breaking down a QB some of you like and why I don't. What my thoughts on Stephen Morris are. Stephen Morris is not impressive and I wouldn't touch him in the first 5 rounds for sure. He lacks the accuracy and physical frame NFL teams are looking for. During his two years as the starter he has averaged only 58% completions each year and this year only managed 18 TDs with 12 Ints. During the last two years when Ryan Williams has seen action he has completed 71% of his passes and 4 TDs to 1 Ints with the same players around him. Makes you wonder why Williams was benched for Morris. Also, Morris cannot run at all and only averaged an embarrassing .4 yards a carry over the last two years. This kid had a GREAT running game to take the heat off and should have opened up the passing game for better numbers. The primary RB for the last two years, Duke Johnson has averaged 6.5 yards a carry and the #2 RB Dallas Crawford has averaged 4.5 yards this season and has 12 TDs, as the #2! Morris is a slightly above average college QB with a great running game. What would happen in the NFL with no running game to take the heat off. May as well have Geno Smith as your QB. It is likely Miami will have the most drafted players in the 2014 draft class. Morris’ supporting cast the last two years include these guys who will be on some NFL team in June 2014: Top 10 FB in Maurice Hagens Top 30 WR in Allen Hurns Top 15 TE in Asante Cleveland Top 5 OT in Seantrel Henderson TWO Top 20 OGs in Brandon Linder and Malcolm Bunche TWO Top 20 Cs in Jared Wheeler and Shane McDermott Add in both his RBs would be drafted if they weren't Sophomores and he has been completely surrounded by NFL talent the last two years and still only managed little better than average numbers. If Sean Mannion (Oregon State) had this much talent around him he would be a top 1-2 QB in college and even without any support near this level he is lights out better than Morris. Geno Smith had talent around him in college and we now know those players made him look better than he really was. Same goes for Morris.
It is amazing how many of you never think to include Sean Mannion. I rate him behind Bridgewater and maybe Mariota who is a bit overrated. I think Mannion is the next Glennon.
as much as i hate to you and bakers little argument, how is geno drafted right where he should have been a gamble? if he should have been drafted at 39 and the jets drafted him at 39 then doesn;t that make him the right pick for the spot? bpa based on the board. just seems like you contradicted yourself a little
Bullshit, you said Idzik tried to trade up for him and couldn't get a reasonable deal for him. You made up shit and took a rumor as fact backing up your fiction. You didn't mention rumor until I called you out on made up crap and you backtracked. You simply hope that it is true because you want to believe Idzik is invested in your man crush. Btw, mock my avatar and my alma mater all you want. I'll never change it. Pretty sure my basketball team isnt inept. I'm not changing it for some fanboi crush. _
Gambled that he was a franchise QB. He was great value where we got him, it was the right pick. He never fell, he was drafted right where he should have been. But a 39th pick should not prevent us from grabbing a REAL franchise QB this year. In a GREAT year for QBs. Can't let a fanboi crush get in the way of seeing the light. _
Yes, he's a product of that system who is 6-4, 220, massive arm, accurate, quick release and an incredibly fast and dynamic runner. I'll take that system. _
Those aren't the only things that make a QB, what about the transition into a pro style offense with progressions. How will he handle making NFL throws reading through his progressions with about 3-4 seconds on average to make his decision. I'm not saying he's not going to be a good NFL player but he's more of a project at this point IMO. He's also a pretty skinny guy, looks kind of fragile can he handle taking a good blindside hit and lasting?
and as long as that qb is the bpa i would have no problems taking him. qb's tend to get overvalued in the draft and i would hate to see idzik reach for one with only 1 year of geno. plus i think with the recent success of kaepernick,wilson,dalton and even glennon starting out decent there will be qb's dropping out of the 1st round with regularity. personally i hope we get a true offensive weapon that makes DC's stay up at night. it would help whoever is under center
He's young, he'll probably play at about 240 in the pros. And from all accounts he's a very bright guy and he'll go through the learning process just like every other QB that hasn't played in a pro set offense. He's virtually a clone of Kaep. Yeah, I'll take that system. _
Kaep put up huge numbers with way less talent around him and was taken in the 2nd round, big difference. Don't get too caught up in measurables is all I'm saying.
