Geno to start vs MIA

Or maybe like last season, he's trying to make do because he realizes he doesn't have jack shit behind his starter.

 

The problem is these players are human too. I do not doubt that they will go out and play hard. As you said, they are auditioning for a job next year too. Of course, if you go by the conventional wisdom of some of the lunatic posters on this board they shouldn't even bother trying as they are scrubs and with an infusion of talent they'll be on the streets anyway. That aside, yes, they will play hard...but there is a certain "edge" that is gone when you are eliminated from playoff contention...that or there is no HOPE of making the playoffs. That "edge" is what separates teams. When that "edge" is gone they are just going through the motions. That is why it would be futile, and usually is, to insert a new QB in at the end of a season. You saw it with McElroy last year. He did ok in the AZ game...fast forward a few games...the Jets are OUT of it...and he gets his ass handed to him. Guys had already, games before, begun to shut down and the "edge" was gone.

Anyone who has played any sport, at any level, knows the "edge" I'm talking about and when it's gone due to a lack of any cognizant ending that is relevant or positive.

 

After ignoring offense for years in the draft they can't take a QB in the first 4 rounds. They need to upgrade offensive skill and secondary. Their quest for a QB should be in 2015 when they have some skill players in place with experience to make for an easier transition. Last thing I want to hear is another season of the line -- well who is he throwing to? Where is the talent on offense? yadda yadda yadda

 

I haven't made any conclusions about Geno, other than, "He should get a little more time." Keep reaching, bud.

 

How did that work out with Sanchez? Rex doesn't have a fucking clue.

 

Simms has a real role on the roster at this point. He's the guy who comes in when Geno gets hurt or just can't handle the field any more.

The argument that Rex has major decisions to make at QB now at the end of the season is flawed because the two young QB's could not be farther apart in value to the franchise.

One of them represents the investment of a 2nd round pick, which if it fails would suck but not kill the Jets.

The other is a UDFA who is like every other UDFA QB in the NFL, glad to be on the roster and waiting for the breaks of the game to maybe give him a shot.

The major decision that Rex and Marty M and David Lee have to make is whether or not being on the field is hurting Geno Smith's potential at this point. That's where you could see Matt Simms getting some significant playing time down the stretch. If the brass ever decides that Smith is shot for the year and that going back on the field is just making things worse then Simms is going to get to play some.

 

This is backwards- not with the talent coming out at QB this year.

That strategy should have been employed last year when the QB draft class was awful.

The guidelines should be thusly: In bad QB draft classes, do not take a QB. In great QB draft classes, take at least one QB, and if your QB situation is a mess, take multiple QBs. :grin:

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You do know that there is a point in this season that Matt Simms will NOT WANT playing time...right? I'm just being real and going based off what I know from my own personal experiences.

I remember a couple decades back a young QB telling me, "There's no way in hell I want to go out there and get my head kicked in now! "he who shall remain nameless" has left me less than shit to work with and now I'm supposed to be the savior. I don't think so...I have my whole career to think about at this point".

I can GUARANTEE you that is going through Matt Simms mind and Phil Simms is reinforcing that very thing. Again, these aren't robots or machines. They ARE people. Plenty of you tend to forget this.

 

JStokes gets it!!!!!! Why can't the NY Jets!!!! This rationale SHOULD have been used when we drafted Sanchez!!!! :smile: :rofl:

 

Lol....reading these threads is getting comical....just extract the "Geno" and "Smith" and replace with "Mark" or "Sanchize" and they are like like deja-vu from a year ago.

 

There that word is again, guarantee. In big bold caps.

I do not think that word means what you think it does.

And your premise is just plain silly. Matt wants to get in there at any point that he can and Phil knows any chance his kid can get to show something anything on the field can only help his kid get a real gig. Otherwise no one will see what he has and will forever be a second or worse third stringer.

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I think this is pure fantasy. I can't imagine any circumstance where an undrafted, free agent rookie, who thinks he can play, wouldn't welcome playing time.

 

You're insane.

There is no moment this season in which Matt Simms would not go out on that field at the snap of Rex Ryan's fingers. He will take any opportunity to prove himself and look at it as a godsend. It's the ONLY way he's ever going to get a bigger role in the NFL.

The idea that Matt Simms has opportunities waiting elsewhere after the Jets is almost ridiculous. He's got no value to speak of and there will be somebody ahead of him in the pecking order anywhere that he goes right now, often several somebodies.

If you think he's going to pout at some point and be petulant about the opportunity to play then I really have to question whether you were ever on an NFL roster. Pouting and petulance is for millionaire athletes who think they have it made, not young guys hoping they'll get just one real chance to play, even in garbage time.

He has to have film to show people that suggests that he can play in the NFL. Even a few series here and there is better than having nothing but a last name to hang your hat on.

 

If Simms is jack shit, then some major figures in teh FO responsible for the roster should be fired. Surely if other teams can have serviceable backup qb's, the Jets should be held to a similar standard.

But of course you don't know that Simms is that bad. You are just defending your step brother Geno.

 

BTW, we had similar arguments last year about Tim Tebow, who was a much better known player. He wasn't going to want to go on the field any more in the role the Jets had assigned him.

How did that work out for him?

 

The Jets next year will have cap space to fill some holes in FA. Depending on the way that the market shakes out, they can fill some holes in FA and the balance in the draft. Their core players are getting a year older, and they cannot afford to write off another year like they are doing this year playing Smith.

They also will not want to go into the next year trying to sell tickets without getting another Qb in there. I don't rule out Smith making an off season improvement, but it would be foolish to count on him coming back as the starter next year. And Sanchez we have seen the last of in a Jet uniform. Thank God.

 

I am only going based off of my personal experiences and people I have known in the past...no need to vilify me.

Simms is going to get playing time all right...playing time to get his head kicked in. Playing time is great if you can finish the season standing upright with minimal injury. I say let Geno finish the year and continue to get his head kicked in...he made the non-defense reading, lack of execution bed he is laying in...

 

Situations are different. Just because something failed with Sanchez it doesn't mean they'll fail with Geno.

 

Do you know what is worse than no film?? BAD Film. It doesn't matter if an oline blows. It doesn't matter if all hope is gone for the season...it doesn't matter if you have the worst WR's in the league and no running game. If he has BAD film then nothing will save him. Right now, he has some pretty good film. Albiet in very small quantities. He has generated "buzz" and people are interested. Across the league. Why go kill that by going out there behind a demoralized team and get your ass kicked. I'm TELLING you that is how it works.

And he is not your average UDFA...he's got a borderline HOF, Super Bowl winning QB of a father who is WELL respected behind him. Just like in every day business...when you have a "daddy" like that it opens all kinds of doors that weren't there. Thanks to the little bit of "solid" tape he has that could be all he needs. As I keep spouting on here...fuckin' Matt McGloin is starting for the Raiders...I do not think it will be hard for Matt Simms to go somewhere where they will give him a legitimate shot to compete now that he has "some" tape to look at.