It's the Franchise QB effect...Deep Speed and Hill in single coverage because Brady can actually hit his underneath routes. Brady throws a soft ball...because it is Brady Hill wouldn't drop a pass. Just look at his two go to rookies now after half a season working with them. It is night and day.
our 2-3-4 wr's would all be 3-4-5 p.s guys on most teams in this league.holmes would be a 2 on most teams. and all the teams listed above have atleast 1 serious playmaker. thats the difference.who is our play maker?
hill is single covere because gronk can't be left alone in the middle. we saw what happens to brady in week 2 when he has no playmaker. we made him look average.
You didn't ask on what teams where would they fall on the depth chart. You asked where would they be productive. I chose the teams that had the QB competency to utilize the talents that our WR's bring to the table. Make up your mind.
I agree with you to an extent but we can't just throw it all on the rookie. The whole offense is shit and the o-line has been average at best whether or not Geno is pointing out blitzes, I see guys getting beat one on one more times then not. Is Geno the QB who will make things look better, no he won't and you kinda expect that from a rookie. He has looked terrible the last few games, as has the whole offense. Is Geno the guy going forward? Nothing has proven that but I won't blame it all on him either.
Just to remind everybody about who the Jets "talent" is at this point. 1. Santonio Holmes - Gimpy all year and missing games repeatedly. 2. Jeremy Kerley - Gimpy all year and missing games repeatedly. 3. Kellen Winslow - Old dude cut by two teams in a row and suspended for 4 games in the middle of the season. 4. Stephen Hill - Milk Carton. 5. Jeff Cumberland - UDFA. Gimpy all year and missing games repeatedly. 6. Clyde Gates - Cut by the Fins. 7. Konrad Reuland - UDFA. Cut by the 49ers. 8. David Nelson - UDFA. Cut by the Bills. Cut by the Browns. 9. Greg Salas - Cut by the Pats. Cut by the Eagles. 10. Zach Sudfeld - UDFA. Cut by the Pats. 11. Ben Obamanu - Cut by the Seahawks. You can't make this stuff up. Look at that list above and ask yourself if any team has ever had less to work with at WR and TE and less availability out of the few guys who were actually worth something.
still a thousand times better than what we had last year when holmes and keller missed most of the season. david Nelson would have been the 2nd best option on the team last year, this year he is 4th or 5th.
David Nelson started last week and he's awful at football. He's not the 4th option...are you watching the games? He was cut by Cleveland this year. Holmes has missed most of this season too. There's no Keller on this team- there's Cumberland, the same guy who Sanchez had last year. What are you talking about?
my question is what the fuck happened to morningwood. this guy LOVES to throw the ball around. he threw it around in the beginning of the season to mixed results with quite a few really really nice plays and games. then we decided to pull the reigns back a little and just completely imploded on ourselves. i mean shit i dont want geno throwing it 35 times a game either but he was throwing it to an avg of around 32 times per game down to 20 and his yards per attempt has gone from the 7 to 8 range to 5 something. its a philosophical situation right now and i am CONFIDENT rex is steering this ship. morningwood wouldnt ever throw the ball so few times for so little yardage. its almost as if morningwood has given up at this point. i am not seeing the dynamic plays or the dynamic play designs that we were seeing in the beginning of the season. so here we are playing 3 yards and a cloud of dust with a running game that is middling at best. and depending on that to win games. its just not sensible and knowing who the OC is i really have a hard time believing he is party to this.
its scary to look at his game over game stat lines it just implodes at the saints game. from a throwing team to a we cant throw it ever again team.
Nelson actually isn't awful, he's actually pretty decent. he was cut b/c he wasn't healthy. he is healthy now and has had some good games for us. Holmes has played in more games this year than he did last year and there are 5 games left to play. Cumberland isn't the same. He was coming off missing a year and this was his first extended action of his career and in 12 starts last year he had 29 recs, this year he ahs 19 and is on pace for 25 if he had the same # of starts.
No Holmes for most of the season and gimpy when he is playing. No Winslow. No Kerley. Mornhinweg has just adapted to the talent he had available.
Nelson's been a non factor over the past 3-4 weeks or so. He's starting for the Jets. His best game was against the Patriots where he had 80 yards receiving. Kerley's the Jets best receiver and he's out. Cumberland sucks at football no matter what year it is. The offensive skill positions are the worst in football for two years in a row.
With the exception of Kerley our WR's would have been cut in TC on those teams and Holmes would have been put on IR.
that is more b/c of how awful the QB has been. The offensive talent isn't very good but it is light years ahead of a year ago including the OC. By the way, kerley's last 4 games: Pitt, NE, Cin, NO Geno threw 1 TD and 5 INTs,
David Nelson is awful. He has struggled to get open in all but one game for us. Can't beat press cover and lacks speed for separation. We need two new starting WRs next yr. Hill is fucking garbage too. Junc is doing his normal "Sanchez had it worse" schtick. Schilens and Nelson are the same goddam guy.
Light years? Sheesh, what measurement are you going to use when the skill position talent reaches mediocrity?
Light years? Who exactly is light years better? Morniwheg is the only person you could consider. David Nelson isnt light years better than anyone. The passing game has gone to total shit since Kerley got hurt. And he got hurt early in the Saints game, so its not fair to use that one. He was also out for the first Pats game. He had 8 catches for 97 yards and a TD in the second Pats game.
Consider this: Kerley: Best WR on the roster right now. I'm a big fan of Kerley, and I think he's a good #2 or great #3 WR. But even healthy, it's unfair to him to make him the #1 target. Hill: Has the tools but hasn't proven he can be someone who can be counted on as a #1, #2, or even #3 WR. God damn I wish we got Brandon Marshall. Holmes: Can't be relied on to stay healthy, and can't be relied on to be productive even when he is. I absolutely think we need to develop contingencies to replace Geno if it comes to that, but it's hard to knock a rookie QB when these are his best targets, NONE of which are even healthy.
