You are hilarious. So I like Geno, I like Sanchez, just like I've liked every Jet since I've become a Jet fan in 1969 (other than Tebow), yet because I call out other supposed Jet fans for continuously shitting on a current Jet, all of a sudden I'm obsessed? Post after post after post the shitting on him continues- a current Jet. Yeah, go fuck yourself Giant fan. _
No but they can tell when individual battles are won and lost. And when the debate is whether a line is the best or close to the best, I'd prefer the opinion of those who have watched every snap of every team. Saying they were "far from the best" is a reach made in order to support an argument. The 2009 o-line is certainly in the best conversation. The 2013 line is decent but that unit is the the one that is nowhere near the best.
if it was so great why did we let Faneca go? you would think they wanted to keep a great OL together. It was a good/very good OL. It certainly wasn't the best. People overrated it b/c of the accumulated rushing #s, not accounting for the garbage time #s, the 3-4 great games which skewed the #s, the WC/trick plays, etc... We did NOT have a great run game, that is a myth.
That's a pretty major reach. You picked out the one player out of 5 that wasn't well above average at his position. He was the highest paid player on the line and wasn't performing as such. They were still getting elite or close to elite level play from 4 other spots. And even Faneca didn't embarrass himself, he just didn't warrant that kind of money. I know you like to hammer home that the run game wasn't great despite leading the league in rushing but how easy can that be when the passing game isn't highly respected? I'd say they did an admirable job.
I think elite is pushing it, we had ONE player make 1st team all pro in those 2 years(Mangold). Again though, if it was "great" why tinker w/ it? why not bring back Faneca for one more year? I am not saying they were bad, I am saying they weren't great. That is a huge difference. The OL was very good.
Because clearly they felt they could upgrade or get similar performance at a lower price from that particular spot. Again, we're talking one player who didn't play well above average for his position. I'm actually surprised someone like you takes all-pro selections so seriously. Don't seem like the type. I'd rather not debate over semantics but if the 2013 line is "very good" what is the 2013 line? Good? The bottom line is that in 2009 you'd be hard pressed to name a line that was FAR better the Jets and you can probably poke a small hole in any of them.
The guy made a reasoned argument based on his opinion and you went off the deep end in a very nasty way. I turned it on you with a little humor and again you react like a nasty prick. This isn't about being a fan it's about your complete lack of self control. Get a grip, your old enough to have some.
I don't call being a rose colored glasses wearing homer the same as being a good Jet fan. But i realize some people do.
For me, I want the Jets to succeed. So if a player helps them do that, I will tend to like that player. And if a player does not help them do that, I will tend to NOT like that player. Especially if they came to the team with a high pick and are taking up a huge amount of cap space. I certainly do not feel any obligation to be loyal to players who suck.
they felt they could be even better than "great"? shouldn't they have used those resources in other areas that needed upgrades? I take AP selections seriously, I don't take pro bowl selections seriously.
That's a silly argument. Because a unit is great you shouldn't try to improve the weakest link? Teams are always trying to get better, especially when it comes with the added bonus of freeing up big dollars. AP All-Pro is better than the pro bowl without question but they have their misses also. I remember when they once gave Darren Sharper a 2nd team nod in a year in which he missed most the season.
The OL wasn't great. a great OL can line up and run when they want to, we didn't do that, we dominated a couple of bad teams(Buf twice, Oak, etc...) and had some great garbage time runs. Mistakes happen, they are much rare w/ the AP teams than w/ PB teams.
Like I said, the fact that the didn't have a respectable passing attack certainly didn't do them any favors on the ground. They were still highly productive running the football. They were also excellent in protecting the passer. You can poke a hole in any unit that year (no one had 5 hall of famers on it who were dominant pass and run blockers) but they were very close to the best if not the best. Certainly you'd have to agree with that. The funny thing about that is that there are AP voters who regularly reference Pro Football Focus. Peter King is a fan, for example.
The passing attack was respectable, it wasn't great obviously but they made plays when they needed to.
There was nothing "reasoned" in his "opinion" it was the same old rehashed bullshit hate he spews post after post after post. He continues to go off the deep end with his hate that I just returned in kind. Your "turn" with a little humor about Sanchez stroking my penis and me having blue balls because I'm not coming is another of your sophomoric and childish antics to try and paint a fan of a team and a player as somehow having gay affection for the player, which quite frankly I find offensive. You get off on being a prick, it's funny that you are now playing the "prick" card. And when I say "funny", I don't mean it in the ha-ha way, I mean it in the pathetic way. Seriously Giant fan, go fuck yourself. How about gaining a little self control yourself and stop with the childish bullshit? This isn't 5th grade anymore. _
Gay affection? You've been practically dining out of his ass in thread after thread. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I apologize if I outed you. It was unintentional. I thought it was pretty clear cut.
HILARIOUS! Your childish shit never gets old!!! You realize how big a prick you now sound like, right? You must be very proud. Go fuck yourself, Giant fan. _
Objection. Looks like you don't even know what the fuck you are talking about. Sure, MM is more pass-happy than Rex Ryan is. That said, he is KNOWN to seal the game with the running game - to him, RBs are very much like closers in baseball game. If the Jets are passing late in the game, that means they are trailing. Case in point, he will not commit the idiocy Brian always committed - i.e. letting Mark throw 60+ times against Giants when a. the game was clearly in reach and b. the run game was more than fully functional. Again, objection. WCO never, NEVER preaches on going with 3rd and long in the first place. What WCO tells us is that, if you are consistently in 3rd and long, maybe your play selection OR execution in 1st and 2nd down SUCKS like REAL BAD. No QB will be successful if he's consistently throwing from 3rd and long, regardless of who he is. That is 2009. Matt Slauson is NOT one of the best LG. And Geno never suffered the rotating door that is WFH. Jesus fucking Christ. So why are they there in the first place? :drunk: This is like saying "Horse shit smells less worse than bull shit." So poised that he throws pick 6, right? You must have missed 2009 season. Sanchez wasn't just shying away from hits. I'd really love to see how Geno would progress under the tutelage of the great Brian Schottenheimer. Sanchez was WRECKED - to the point where he sustained injury. Really. Sanchez was not the same after the stinger injury. [Abyzmal will tell you just the same thing - but he will tell you in much depth.] He had ample time last week - none of this 3 picks last week came because he was hurried. I wouldn't say his protection kept him spotless, but then the OL performance was not the dog shit that you make it look like. If at all, I don't recall seeing this kind of disaster in Smith's tenure at all: [YOUTUBE]fLpimht0tUM[/YOUTUBE]
