Again like Junc you are making a counter to a point that was NEVER made. At no point did I say Sanchez was better or equal to Vick. My comment was strictly in response to this specific comment: With regards to accuracy and decision making, Michael Vick's career completion percentage before becoming the starter in Philly was 51.4%, roughly 4 points lower than Sanchez's 55.1% career CMP% and that's with more games played I might add. Under MM and the WCO, Vick's CMP% jumped to 60.2%, nearly 10 points. W/o MM it has dropped to back to 54.6%. There was significant improvement in the decision making stats as well. His RAT jumped from 73.4 to 87.7 and TD/INT ratio from 1.36 to 1.70. Note Mark's RAT and TD/INT ratio 71.7 and 0.98 respectively. Based on this empirical data, it is safe to theorize that Mark Sanchez's accuracy and decision making would likely improve with better talent, MM and the WCO as did Vick's. Even if Sanchez's CMP% was improved at only at half the percentage points of Vick's, it would put him at or near 60%. I'm sure that would be a welcomed improvement by all Jets fan.
I don't worry about stats, Vick when healthy led Atl to the playoffs and made a title game. In philly he never won a playoff game, I care about guys making plays to help their teams win big games. Sanchez '09-'11 was better than Philly Vick.
You and 1985er can argue about who is better. I was just making the comparison ONLY with respect to what impact talent, MM and the WCO can have on accuracy and decision making using the most common metrics available to measure these items.
Not even worth mentioning. Kyle Orton is hot garbage btw - would easily have Sanchez over Orton. Orton was, is and will always be a loser with a loser mentality.
Montana couldn't play with the Jets last year? Prove it. There is more to football than the QB. The Eagles not winning a playoff has to do with more circumstances than just Vick.
The circumstances of having more talent and being the ONLY team to ever lose to Tony Romo in the playoffs? or having more talent and losing at HOME? I don't think you realize just how much of a mess our offense was last year besides the QB.
Smith's numbers vs. Sanchez's rookie numbers: http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/11/19/5121844/i-stand-with-geno-smith
It's becoming comical all the Geno defenders, who hated on Sanchez, Geno been just as bad if not worse, an the excuses come rolling in, its the WRs the OL, no running game, next will be OC sucks, face the reality, Smith is horrible, the search continues
Why do these post always ignore the fact Sanchez was in his 4th year and Geno is in his rookie year? That seems like a mighty big difference to leave out.
YOU know what I see -- more passing attempts and less touchdowns....Sanchez put more points on the board with his arms than Geno. Hell Geno is on a 5 week slide that would have had a QB benched on 31 other teams.
We show patience with rookie QBs for better or worse. Sanchez threw 5 INTs in a game where we lost by 3. Gave up 14 points to NO and still played. Threw 4 picks on the road (in a game very similar to BUF game for Geno) and played. They show patience for better or for worse. Under rex they show patience
Sanchez was the #5 pick in the draft he was drafted to be the franchise QB. Smith was drafted at 39 as a value pick in the second round with the hope he might develop and challenge down the line. He isn't playing up to a 2nd round pick and he needs to sit. it's not about patience at the sake of the season for a 2nd round pick. The financial commitment to him is minimal so benching him to let him see the game from the sideline could benefit him. So yes patience with Sanchez because he was a large financial commitment and was picked to be the man. Smith was picked to because he was available with a low risk high reward pick. Not saying the reward won't come down th eline, but right now he is hurting the entire team with his play.
You still gotta show patience with him if you want to learn about him. Just beat Sanchez was the #5 pick doesn't mean he automatically progresses differently than Geno. We let our QBs play through it, and when the team isn't as strong like it was in 2009, it makes sense to let Geno ride it out. It would be much easier to bench him if we were consistently running for 150 on the ground and holding teams to 17 points like KC, but we aren't so it makes it harder. No need to ruin Simms while getting away from Geno.
It's probably not a coincidence that Geno's roughest stretch has come during a time when Winslow, Cumberland, Holmes, and Kerley have been out/injured. Asking a rook to succeed with the stiffs that have been in there, playing behind a line that doesn't pass block particularly well, is asking a lot. Unless there's a sense that his confidence has been crushed, gotta ride it out with the man and see if he can have some success with the regulars.
Number 1 McNabb was the QB that lost to the Cowboys. Number 2 there are (once again) other factors that affect the game that's outside the QB's control. Number 3 I am well aware of the mess the offense was last year. But if we're talking about individual players then we're judging them as a player. In the case of Mark, considering that he's the QB he played the biggest role in the offense struggles. Yes there were injuries and crap players but Sanchez was the biggest problem on that offense.
Yes you have to be patient but you don't have to throw away the season to force Geno to fail on the job. You have him for 5 years at a low cap number so you have the luxury to have him take a step back and not have the sky fall. You bench the #5 pick in the draft 10 games in and you never hear the end of it, but you bench the 39th and people go well ok that makes sense. The Jets are avg 130 yards on the ground and Geno is not playing well at all. Why would bringing in Simms ruin him? It's not like you are bringing in Simms to play behind a swiss cheese line and telling him to close his eye and pray. You don't do something and Geno continues to fail the team with turn on him and the locker room will fall apart. People might say well playoffs aren't the point of this season - but tell that to a player killing himself all off season, for 17 weeks during the season, playing hurt, risking long term health issues, if they are playing to watch some kid fail or playing for a chance to get to the super bowl. By letting SMith fail week in and week to you will more than likely ruin Smith.
Throwing away what season exactly? The 5-5 season that Geno helped us get too. It's just a not good spot that makes sense at all for Geno to get benched right now. I have the running backs and Cribbs at 112.3 per game with 3 total TDs? Is that off? I have 1123 yards total rushing divided by 10 games. Maybe my running tally is wrong. Well we are bringing in Simms into a situation without a good OL who has been inconstant and only one receiving player that has played every game, Stephen Hill. We are bringing him into a situation where we expect him to win games right now, unless Rex and company say we aren't making the playoffs so we want to see what Simms has which would be foolish while currently holding the 6 spot for the playoffs. If you continue to play semi conservative and ask Geno to throw on 3rd and longs and such, then yes you can hurt Geno in the long run. Me, and I was addressing to another poster in the thread, we need to throw more early to help Geno and the wide receivers out. The Jets panicked when they realized they were in the WC race and tried to limit Geno, but in reality they just limited the overall offense by becoming a bit more predictable. And when they did limit Geno and ended up with a win against NO, they didn't really limit him, they asked him to throw at the biggest moments of the game on 3rd and long when a mistake could end the game.
The length of that patience coincides with where you were drafted the later the round the shorter the patience.
What is the correct amount of time to determine if a qb is the one? Do we hand him 3 years of starting no matter what the result is? No competition, its his show? Tell the defense that he is going to throw picks, loose fumbles, and look down receivers with no consequence? How can anybody else on the team be accountable then? Bring on 3 more years of Mark Sanchez like football with Rex. Looks like its going that way
