1. Quick passing game I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but it seems to me like the Jets rarely call any quick passing plays. I'm talking about plays like the quick slants the Patriots love to do where the ball is out of Brady's hand before he's even done dropping back. Or just quick 3-4 yard passes to the flat that is high probability. The benefits of such plays are obvious: Neutralizes the pass rush: If the ball is out quickly, opposing pass rushers don't have a chance to get to the quarterback. Feel like this is what was happening to us in the first Patriots game, where we had a good pass rush, but many times, Brady just got the ball out too quickly. Gets Geno in a rhythm: I really feel like one of the most important drivers of effective quarterbacking is getting into a rhythm. When Geno is always trying to throw passes 15+ yards down the feel with a pass rush in his face, he has no chance. Why not let him dink and dunk a little to get in a groove, then go for a big one. Can anyone shed light on why we're not using more of a short/quick passing game? 2. Blitz pickup This is perhaps hyperbolic, but the Jets seem like the worst offense at picking up blitzes, while at the same time, the worst defense at having effective blitzes that are not picked up. I swear every time the other team blitzes, they have a free rusher hitting Geno, but every time we blitz, it gets picked up, or the QB always gets the ball out right before he's hit. My question to the more knowledgeable posters on here is why?? Is it coaching? Is it offensive line (I feel like they're getting the brunt of the blame, but not sure I agree)? Is it the RBs? Is it Geno? And on defense, if Rex is such a defensive genius and blitzmaster, why are our blitzes so ineffective? If our d-line wasn't so beastly, I'm sure we'd be near the bottom of the league in sacks.
my biggest question is where the hell is the playaction, but yeah these are all good points. i think it's just inexperience and a new system concerning the blitz pickups, but i thought the WCO was predicated on short, quick passes
They need to utilize that fucking bull they have that wears #33 to take some pressure off of Geno.. Everytime it looks like Ivory is starting to get going, Marty calls 17 passes in a row... Fucking baffling.
Ferguson's been terrible now for a couple seasons. I don't know what's the deal with him, but you can't blame coaching. He's proven he can be great. Now pass rushers are running circles around him. Howard still isn't any good at pass blocking. He's gotten a lot better at run blocking but that's about it. Most of the pressure's been coming from the outside so they are the main culprits. I've been wondering why we don't do short passes either. It's the obvious answer to blitzes. And if we can force opponents to stop blitzing so much, Geno can get more comfortable and not try to force passes because he feels he has to get rid of it.
I don't believe it's a matter of not wanting to run those plays - watch Sanchez and Simms in pre-season -- lots of slants and quick hits. I don't think geno is capable of making the quick throws/reads. His best plays come when he has 3 + seconds in the pocket and someone can get wide open on a crossing pattern
Are quick throws/reads really all that difficult though? I've never played football so I have no idea, but it seems a lot simpler than having to drop back, avoid the rush while going through your progressions, then finding the open receiver and throwing an accurate pass down the field.
Everytime I watch Ivory run, I feel like he's gonna rip somebody's head off. They need to get him the ball more often. That guy punishes defenses.
This is all in the hands of the QB. Granted, the play call needs to be there, but the QB needs to read the blitz and get rid of it immediately on a quick slant. Brady did this a number of times last night. That's something Geno will learn as his experience grows.
Amaru, your post I think is one of the most insightful I've seen on any board anywhere. It goes right to the heart of the problem with this team right now. In what seems like an elegant piece of symmetry, what hurts the Jet defense so much is exactly what their offense cannot do. That is, master the short passing game. Historically, it's been said that the run sets up the pass. Today, it's the short pass that sets up the long pass. Both in the Buffalo and Cincy games, the opposing QBs were initially very successful in their short passes before they went vertical. While ground and pound can be effective, the short passing game has replaced the ground game in most modern offenses. Its advantage over the a good ground game is that it neutralizes a pass rush. Is it so hard to teach Hill to run a slant? And on a related but separate matter, the Jet offense is extremely poor at picking up blitzes. Whether it's the blocking schemes, RBs, or Geno, I'm not sure why but that def has to improve. It's the defenses that have blitzed a lot that has given the Jets the most trouble.
Thanks bigdan. Totally agree that not only is our offense completely lacking in the short passing game, it's been killing us on the other side of the ball. You mention Buffalo and Cincy, which are great examples, but I think in the Pitt game as well, we were giving up the short passes before they burnt us deep.
Play-action is non-existent because the Jets have chosen to go read-option instead with Geno in the shotgun most of the time. They obviously are doing everything they can to give Geno a better comfort zone but he has gotten dramatically worse since they went to this game plan. Early on he wasn't in the shotgun every down and the Jets weren't going read-option as often. Geno Smith did not play in the read-option in college. That's not what the Air Raid is. Asking him to play in a read-option now is kind of silly if you ask me.
To your first point, it's hard to establish a quick passing game when you have an inaccurate QB. Then it just becomes a quick 3 and out game. The Jets have called their fair share of quick, short passes, you/we just don't really realize it because they are falling incomplete. How about the pick 6 on sunday? That was supposed to be a quick dumpoff play to Holmes, designed to do just what you say - neutralize the pass rush and get Geno some confidence. What does he do? Throws it right into the chest of the defender. It was a good call - horrible execution. Your second point is a valid one. I would think that this OL, which routinely faces a blitz-happy defense in practice would be better at blitz pickup, but it's something they've struggled with for years. It could just be poor personnel. It could have something to do with a QB that holds onto the ball too long or having Mangold, who's view in limited in his stance like that making the blitz calls. Most teams have their QBs make these calls, and they should in theory, because they can see the field better, but we've had some pretty dumb QBs here in NY. Maybe it's that... You last point about our blitzing I kind of disagree with. 1st, you have to think that Rex blitzes more than ANYONE. If it looks like his blitzes aren't working, it's because they blitz almost every passing down, so there are a lot that work and a lot that get stuffed as well. Plus opponents know Rex loves to blitz so he's seeing a lot of max protect and quick passes emphasized against him. -your post was very good, this board could use more detailed football analysis
it bothers me. obviously MM is a hell of an OC, but some of the shit makes no sense. i think geno can thrive in play-action
Also, I don't think Rex has blitzed more than league average this season. In some games, it's been quite a bit less. But I agree this is mostly an appearance thing. Effective offenses know how to respond to blitzes. This only appears extraordinary because the Jets' offense is so poor in this regard.
Without Kerley we have no one who can get open quickly. Holmes draws too much attention and no one else is any good. Also being so reliant on the run game and having a rookie QB makes Defenses stack the box so there are a lot more defenders around the line of scrimmage which also hurts the quick passing game.
Great read. I see the Pat's run the quick slant and is guaranteed for 8-10 yards a clip and always beats the blitz.Geno needs to learn how to check into this. Also Hill and company can't get open or know when to break off a route when a blitz is on. Glad Hill is heading for the bench, that's what I get from Rex's presser.Marty also needs to stick with the run until they pop one, even if you're down by 7 or even 10 points. Geno is not ther yet to throw his way into a comeback win.
Perhaps true. But if you hit that quick slant in a stacked box almost any receiver can turn into Jerry Rice. That will certainly open things up.
Yes but Geno wasn't able to hit anyone. Partly because he stinks and partly because our receiving options stink. He was under pressure pretty quick and it all just fell apart. If we managed to get a couple big passing plays with YAC when the Bills were blitzing it would have done wonders. Unfortunately we had pretty much 0 success in the passing game.
