Week 11 Other Games Thread

Discussion in 'National Football League' started by soxxx, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. NJJ_Jersey_Jets

    NJJ_Jersey_Jets Well-Known Member

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    That's the ballgame
     
  2. Greenday4537

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    Good for us as far as playoffs hopes go.
     
  3. JerseyJets1988

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    Win or lose this game, Colts will be one and done in the playoffs
     
  4. statjeff22

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    That is extremely bad defense by Indianapolis - the only thing they couldn't do is allow long passes, and they allowed two in a row and it's back to only 3 points.
     
  5. statjeff22

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    Doing an onside kick with the ball flat on the ground seems to be the new thing, but I don't really see it - the ball doesn't bounce up in the air, so it seems that it's pretty easy for the receiving team to recover it.
     
  6. displacedfan

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    Weird spin on the ball and more control over direction. You can't overload one side so the high bounce is less frantic.

    It's cool to see some teams try different things. I could see how the squirming football on it's side could be tougher and you can keep it up the middle in theory and let everyone collapse on it.

    I can't kick a football so I can't really say if it's one is easier or another
     
  7. Greenday4537

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    Indy's defense has been garbage every game I've seen them play this year. And their offense only plays one half.
     
  8. dawinner127

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    Fitzpatricks first 15 passes were completed to just Delanie Walker and Kendall Wright. Let's hope Indy runs away with that division now. I would love for them to somehow finish as the 3 seed in the AFC and hopefully we end up at the 6.
     
  9. displacedfan

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    Luck and the Colts have comeback from 12+ points 6 times in his career to win games. Not really sure if that's sustainable. Brady has 7 on his career. They live on the edge the Colts, need to play better against the top teams because a team like the Patriots could bury them if they start slow.

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    Here's a wild one... Wins after trailing by 12+ points: Andrew Luck (6), Tom Brady (7).
     
  10. Greenday4537

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    That's not crazy at all to be honest. How many times has Tom Brady trailed by 12 points? 7 times total maybe?
     
  11. Yisman

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    huh? Vinatieri has always been poor on kickoffs. He was removed from kickoff duties years ago.

    Big difference between FGs and kickoffs, when he did kick off for NE, he was consistently among the worst in the league at it.

    Colts at one point had a guy just for kickoffs, I believe. They carried two kickers and a punter.
     
  12. tank75

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    yeh vinatieri has always been more technique than power. great kicker but hes not going to hit you a 60 yarder nor will he get consistent touchbacks.
     
  13. displacedfan

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    That's a good point, but I think it's higher than you think. 12 points is just 2 TDs are a TD and two field goals. Just in Jets games, it's been twice in the last 5 years.

    I'm just saying it's probably not a sustainable against the top teams in the league who usually bury you when get down by two TDs. It can also backfire vs the poorer teams like the Rams.
     
  14. BeastBeach

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    I think comeback wins are an overrated statistic anyways. A lot of the times it is because the QB played like shit and put them in a hole or the D was good enough to give them multiple opportunities to take the lead. I do not agree with comeback wins being a statistic that gets attributed to the QB
     
  15. Falco21

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    Have to agree with you here. There are so many factors that fall into this statistic that it is just not fair to credit the QB for all of it.

    QB throws an out route and the receiver breaks 3 tackles and runs for 50 yards. This in turn leads to field goal range and a game winning kick. You're telling me the QB gets credit for the comeback drive? Bullshit. Had that receiver not broken 3 tackles and ran for 50 yards, they may never get into field goal range.

    Or like in last night's case. Andrew Luck makes terrible throws throughout the first half and makes terrible decisions. Second half comes around, he wakes up, makes some nice throws and runs the ball in for a TD. They win the game. Now Andrew Luck is considered a hero for leading his team to victory? LOL No. He just decided to play in the second half and not look like dog shit anymore.
     
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    Another thing is how they measure these "comebacks". Is it any time they take the lead on a final drive? Is it any time they are down starting with the 4th quarter? I swear I have heard different ways of coming up with these stats
     
  17. Yisman

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    Comebacks is like W/L record for QBs. Not a great way to measure.

    McGloin expected to start at QB for Oakland on Sunday.

    That's more criticizing stats like passing yards, not comebacks.

    Comeback would be like if the D got a pick and ran it to the 5 and then the offense scored a TD, that's a "comeback drive".
     
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    I could be wrong, but I feel like he meant in terms of how the media portrays it as a "Comeback" win.
     
  19. Yisman

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    yes, I'm saying a better example of an undeserved 'comeback' win would be if the defense gave it to the offense on the opposing 5 or something.

    or if they got down the field by penalties like roughing the passer.
     
  20. Falco21

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    Correct. This is what I was gearing towards.

    Either way, they are both labeled as comeback wins. Although, I feel your example would be labeled more as a defensive comeback rather than offensive. The penalties example is right on par though. It goes hand in hand with wide recievers making big plays and offenses drawing big penalties. Either way, they are bullshit.
     

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