which I responded based on 2009 then other quotes we discussed 2012 vs. 2013. Mark was better than in 2009 than Geno has been this year.
You're entitled to your opinion. This year isnt over yet either. I've seen positive stuff from Geno that Sanchez never showed me in 4 years here. Enough positive stuff to have him start in 2014.
At this juncture, they are both raw rookie QBs. Our debate is about 2009 and strictly 2009. 2012 was a wash. Mark wasn't better than Geno this year. Look at the statistics, look at the 4th QTR comebacks when we needed the QB the most. Mark didn't display that ability till his 2nd year. We had no faith in Mark to bring us back.
I hope Geno is great the 2nd half that this is never a discussion again. Geno in Atlanta showed us more than mark ever did as a rookie but he also has been mediocre to bad most of the rest of the season. mark had a few really bad games but was good around those games. mark also showed an ability to play big in big games, more than anything else I hope Geno has that quality and his even natured approach tell me he could.
There are 32 starting QBs in the NFL. With injuries to Jake Locker, Aaron Rodgers, Michael Vick, etc. there are about 40 guys that have started a whole game. Let's not kid ourselves, Geno Smith has probably been in the bottom 10 QBs that have started a whole NFL game this year. He is just not playing at a high level compared to the rest of the field. Where most of us seem to differ is just how much of a break he deserves for being a rookie. We seem to have different ideas about what are tolerable "rookie mistakes" and what are unforgivable weaknesses that no starting QB can survive. For the rest of the year we can only speculate on how high Geno can climb from his current mediocre play or whether the injured Mark Sanchez could have done better (not setting the bar to high are we?). What we can safely say leaving the bye week with a 5-4 record and our grasp on the last playoff spot is that we are not rebuilding and that this is not a throw away year. Our defense, our running backs, and our offensive line are good enough to take us far into the playoffs if Geno Smith and our other skill players don't screw things up too badly. There are only seven games left in the regular season. Rookie or no rookie, Geno Smith needs to put on his big boy pants and step up to help this team live up to its potential.
The entire rookie QB class is underwhelming. I think he's played better than EJ Manuel and Glennon. Or at least has done more to help win. Would you really take QBs like Ponder, Gabbert, or even Eli Manning over Smith this stage of the game?
he was one legit 4th qtr comeback, let's slow down w/ the "comebacks" thing. I hate doing this b/c I like geno and it seems like I am bashing him but I am not. 2009 Mark vs. 2012 Geno through 9 games: Mark: 9 TDs, 12 INTs, 2 fumbles lost Geno: 8 TDs, 13 INTs, 3 fumbles lost Mark: 4 games w/ INT, 2 games w/ TD pass geno: 2 games w/ INT, 4 games w/o TD pass TOs for TDs: Mark: 2, 14 pts total Geno: 4, 28 pts total TOs that led to pts for opposing team: Mark: 48 Geno: 62 offensive PPG: '09: 22.1 '13: 18
Goodness gracious, he is a ROOKIE for pete sakes A rookie who is adapting to a new type of passing offenses and all the nuances that accompany it A rookie is throwing to guys off the street, scrubs in other words Give the kid a break, I can see if it was his 2nd or 3rd year, but the criticism is sounding unwarranted. He is top 10 maybe even top 5 in pure arm talent in the NFL, his head just needs to catch up Patience is a virtue, if your patient you will win
I am looking for a ton of improvement the 2nd half, I am excited to see what he does. The sched is a little softer and we should be healthier at receiver.
Geno has asked to do more with less (offensive line, WR, RB). 36 rushes for 172 rushing yards including several 3rd down plays to keep us on the field. He's throwing the football down the field. Mark still had more reliable targets in Cotchery, Edwards and Keller. These play a role junc. Geno had Kerley, Nelson and that's pretty much it. Cumberland was in and out of the line-up, Holmes in and out of the lineup. Hill has been non-existent. Winslow is busy doing God knows what. junc remember, use your statistics with context. My personal opinion is Geno's arrow is going up. Sanchez did have that 5 interception game against BUF that immediately ruined his confidence going forward with the exception of the Miami game.
Mark had Chansi Stuckey starting for 4 games then got Braylon(who has been basically out of the league since leaving mark) starting in week 5 w/ no offseason/TC/preseason. He also lost his best playmaker on O in this stretch- leon Washington. The RBs were comparable, the receivers slight edge 2009, OL edge 2009. yds epr attempt: mark 6.8 geno 7.3 yds per com: mark 12.7 geno 12.6 this is more a function of the offense and the OC. even w/ that mark was right there(people forget when mark had deep threats he threw deep). using the eye test Mark was significantly better through 9 games. How did Mark lose his confidence after the 5 INT game? he came back and didn't throw an INt the next 2 games and gave us a late lead in Miami only to watch our D blow it. He also, you know, helped us reach an AFC Title Game that year. he bounced back quick in those days, the only year he really didn't was last year when he was beaten down mentally w/ the worst offensive talent in the league and Tony Sparano(plus Tebow) around him.
Geno throws the ball down the field accurately. Stronger arm, feels pressure better(and has been improving in securing the ball on sacks). COuldnt disagree more regarding the eye test. Geno does things I havent seen Sanchez do in 4 years here. He's also way faster at going through his progressions.
he hasn't fumbled as much b/c he hasn't dropped back as much. He seems to be locking onto receivers(as many young QBs do) so I am not sure where you see him as "way faster" at going through his progressions. what progressions did he go through last week when just about every pass was a screen? was he going through his progressions throwing to Bengal DBs for TDs 2 weeks ago? He has shown positive signs, I am not knocking him but Mark was better as a rookie through 9 games and I hope Geno is better the 2nd half of his rookie year and beyond.
why is this thread called the Geno Smith Era -Discuss all things Geno here?? Looks like it should be changed to the Junc defends Sanchez Thread -- Number 77 in the current series of these
Exactly and it's not even close. In 09 the Jets D gave up an average of less then 15PPG. The 2013 Jets give up more then 25.5PPG. The O9 Jets ran the ball on average 38X a game and threw the ball on average 24.5X a game. In 2013 the Jets are throwing and running about 31X a game with a slight edge to throwing. Curtis Martin had 1 year in his entire Jets career that was better then the year Jones had in 09. Now I'm not comparing Martin to Jones but the overall run game in 09 was among the best the Jets ever had. It's clear in the last game the Jets made a big shift in asking Geno to carry the load. The question is can Ivory hold up and continue to pound away the way that Jones did in 09 when Sanchez was the QB. Geno is a very raw prospect but he has been asked to carry the load without weapons in either the running or passing game. Now that Ivory is healthy and if he can hold up and we get one or two weapons healthy we might see Geno take another huge step forward. It's clear watching him he has a ton to learn but the guy has a much better arm then Sanchez, he's a better over all athlete, he has some size and he is mentally engaged. It's not perfect but it's definitely pointing in the right direction.
The stats are skewed. If Geno makes fewer turnovers, the defense allows fewer points / yards. Now that everyone has had a week off to get healthy Geno gets a healthy Santonio Holmes and a healthy Chris Ivory. No more excuses, time for Geno to step up or be judged accordingly.
