:grin: Hardly! The OP makes an absolutely idiotic suggestion and falls on his own sword. If I were him I'd delete it to suffer further embarrassment.
OP here. Both Mangold and Brick are not playing well. And Brick didn't play all that well last year either. It's not a talent issue. It's not a coaching issue. It's not even an opponent issue. Then what is it? Why are our top 2, probowl lineman playing soft, especially Mangold? Seeing Mangold getting blown up on run plays, and both of them missing assignments and getting Geno killed on pass plays is not pretty. They are highly motivated professional football players most of the time, but they are fundamentally unmotivated on certain levels at other times. They are no longer young players pushing themselves to get better. With Moore retired, they are now the grey beards, sitting atop the food chain without a soul to answer to (in the locker room). It can't hurt having a bad ass who's just as senior as them but who hates rookies and hates players who play soft (going from game to game collecting paychecks). Raw Lewis was that force in the Ravens locker room. Several players who played with Ray Lewis have said their biggest fear wasn't messing up, it was facing Ray in the locker room after the game. Where's our Ray Lewis? We seem like a very young team mixed with a few grey beards who seem to care less about giving 100.0000% every play, every game and insisting on the same in others. No one seems all that upset when we get blown out. No chairs thrown. No mirrors smashed. No players pushed up against a locker. Hell, not even a reporter pushed up against a locker. We've lost every other game this year, and all the players seem soft spoken and polite. Not one shred of anger. Seems like they all make excuses for each other. Fuck that. The next time Milliner forgets he's playing football or Hill runs a half-assed rout that costs the whole team the game I want someone in the locker room to be furious, pick them up by the short-n-curlys, and drop them head first into a cold bath. Our players seem like they're trying to be mini-Rexs praising and high-fiving everyone after a blowout. Fuck that. PS: I apologize to my fellow TGG members who believe our players are super motivated and play at the very top of their game, every snap and no accountability in the locker room for a piss poor performance is ever needed.
ANY O line plays as a unit and good/great O lines are not built overnight. I don't know if you realise but we've had numerous changes all along the line EXCEPT Mangold and Brick. What does that tell you? You allude to having an 'enforcer' in the locker room in your OP which is completely different to a team locker room leader, of which Incognito is neither, he is however a self appointed one, which does not work, respect is earned not awarded. As someone else said you don't have enforcers in football. This team is in rebuild and the O line is actually one of our least concerns if you ask me. We do need to strengthen it next season adding another LG (release Vlad), RT. RG and possible long term replacements for Brick and Mangold. Another option is to draft a LT and put Brick at RT in the future. Right now though they are a mainstay, although there have been times when Brick has been blown up, but put that down to teams not giving too much respect to our passing game and focusing on the rush. Do you really think thats the way to go? This is the NFL not WWE. Read the news thats the kind of shit that your mate Ignorantnito has been up to and landed in how water with. Give credit to the CS, they give more of a damn than you think.
Richie is that you? You looking for a job? I don't know anyone who would make this kind of argument except maybe Incognito himself. As someone else said, this is not the fucking WWE.
"It's time for a serious upgrade." Richie Incognito over David Harris. Sounds about right. I swear Jets fans can be the stupidest meatheads sometimes.
I think Martin deserves another shot and could turn out to be a solid NFL player. He's a good lineman - different people just react to differing types of motivation. He's a guy who can play the tackle position as a job and do it well for years. He doesn't need to love the game or his teammates or have a mean streak out there, or anything. He can just show up - do his job and go home. Plenty of guys out there doing just that. Having said that, if you are talking about the Jets only- I'm not so sure he'd fit in well in a Rex Ryan locker room, but who knows. Incognito? fuck that tool.
This is all we need. We are finally almost off the radar and the "circus" motto has left our organization and now you want Idzik to go out and sign one of the guys involved in a HUGE media circus right now? I'm sure that will bode will with a lot of people.
My take this that the Dolphins had a situation typical of any locker room. I hate the Dolphins and think Incognito is a jerk but his story seems legit although he has not been forthcoming about anything the front office or coaches may have asked him to do. For whatever reason Jonathan Martin chose to leave the team and take his chances with a lawsuit rather than continue with the team. Among the less discussed reasons he could have left: Worried about long term health effects of an NFL career Lost his love of playing the game Wants big money from lawsuit Wants out of his contract to play somewhere else I could be wrong on this one but if I was running an NFL team, my gut would tell me to avoid Martin like the plague if he became available as a free agent or trade chip.
1. It is likely that both Philbin and Ireland will take a hit from this. 2. Possible results include cleaning up the house. 3. Should that happen, is there a player that could benefit the Jets? How are their safeties? I know Koa Misi looks pretty good as an OLB. Anything else on offense that Jets could benefit from?
I think Martin's lawyer summed it up quite well. I can't find the quote right now but it was along the lines of "Martins reactions are typical of someone who is being bullied..." My feeling is that Martin towed the party line for so long and , (what 18 months??) realised that things were not going to change or were getting worse. I just hope that whatever has happened it's sorted out with dignity and clarity. Can't see that happening
Incognito, easily. One guy is a Pro Bowl caliber player who was a team leader and who seems to be loved and respected by all of this teammates. The other guy is soft and when he couldn't cut it as a starter, quit the team and pinned the blame on a friend and teammate to deflect from himself.
Martin's lawyer is not what I would call an impartial source. There have been many recent changes in pro football, most of them (not all) with the well being of the players in mind. Isn't there any point where we say enough is enough and just let these guys be football players?
