I agree because every other team in the league isn't standing still while we improve. Our main goal is to establish a functioning, workable, successful system that will stand the test of time. When our time comes, it comes. We just have to make good decisions and have patience. I might not live long enough to see the next Jet SB, but like I said, I did see the last one and for that, I'm thankful. 2015 is the year I think this team becomes truly relevant in the SB conversation again. By then, we should at least be in the conversation because if we're not, then somewhere along the way, we messed up.
Cman....OK post. But the situation was a bit more glum in 2009 with not only a rookie QB, but a rookie HQ to boot (a rookie HQ who threw in the playoff towel 3 games too soon!). When Sanchez beat the Texans on his maiden voyage the sky looked awfully blue, but crushing defeat after crushing defeat left even the most die hard jet fans looking forward to 2010 and beyond. But then something funny happened on the way to the forum. So if we find ourselves dreaming grandeur in 2013, we have no one but Rex and the Jets to blame.
There's nothing wrong with dreaming. Once you stop dreaming, you're more or less dead mentally. The problem comes in when the reality clashes with that dream and accepting the reality becomes a problem. Everyone wakes up at some point. Don't get upset at the Jets because we beat NE one week and get our asses kicked the next. We're a mediocre team that is rebuilding and that's what happens. I'm preaching patience here that's all. Patience and vision of a brighter future for this team. It's gonna take a few years. We didn't get here overnight and we're not gonna become viable SB contenders overnight either. 2013, no matter how it ends, should be viewed as a transitional season where we evaluate and make the hard personnel decisions required to keep this team on the right path. If we don't make the playoffs, we don't make the playoffs. Its ok not to make the playoffs if in the long run, you make the SB.
Ahh got it. Yes, many here crucify the Jets (Rex, Geno, hell, even Manish) after every loss like they actually expected a dominating victory. But I agree with you....keep it real, enjoy the ride.
Because if you wait 3 to 5 five years your good players get old and your young players want to get paid. there are no great teams in the NFL it is a win now league and average teams win the superbowl. Who was talking about the Ravens or the Giants or the packers. Look what happened to the Falcons and the Vikings. There is no such thing as a rebuild look at the Jets in '09. This team is built to win big in 2014 and 2015 wit another rebuild in 2016. this year is to build the base and learn to win and maybe get hot like in '09. There is no 3-5 year plan with a salary cap the jets best chance to win it all will be next year in 2015 we will be rebuilding the line.
When the season started, I wasn't expecting playoffs. I just wanted to see how much talent, namely young talent, we had on our roster. If we win 7 or 8 games and miss the playoffs, I'd still consider that a pretty successful season. Especially considering how young our star players are.
So if we are not contending this year (or arguably next year as well), what do we have to build around? Core players - Need to be locked up Mo Wilk DE - Pro bowl talent at DE deserves a long term contract extension Daryl Richardson DE - Rookie of the year candidate at DE could have a long career here Nick Mangold C - Former pro bowl center in the prime of his career needs more help Jeremy Kerley WR - Could be nice # 3 WR for a long time Damon Harrison DT - Promising young talent at NT Antonio Cromartie CB - Former pro bowl CB in the prime of his career needs more help Nick Folk K - Dude is automatic from long range We have a lot of other players with talent and potential but I am not sure there is anyone else on the roster that has guaranteed themselves a spot on this roster when their contract is up. Lots of guys with talent and potential but no one else on the roster would lead me to pass up a can't miss prospect in the draft because his position is covered. Three years ago I would have said D'Brick and Harris. Last year I would have said Coples. I have high hopes for Hill and Ellis but these guys need to step up and consistently show up on the field when it matters.
Once Mark was out of the picture, there was no way this couldn't be a good season. We are playing with House Money.
I don't get it... I mean I really don't get what the point being made is. Is it that nothing in terms of winning this season matters? just how the players do and what they provide for the future? Are we supposed to just ignore any chances for the playoffs and ONLY look at this season as a precursor to the next two? uh... why? the team is in contention. why does hoping for a playoff berth do anything to hinder ones understanding of where the team is at? its an evaluation year where playoffs are in the cards if played correctly. thats reality till they lose enough that playoffs are off the table. 8-8 is fine, 9-7 or 10-6 are better and in the AFC it might earn the team a spot in the postseason. I don't think I'm being impatient, I know its a process to go from inconsistent to very good, and that the silver linings of say a 7-9 or 8-8 season bode well for the future. But I also recognize that the team is in position to make it back to the postseason and I'll be upset if they don't because the opportunity is there. I want the Jets to win in 2013, I care about the jets winning in 2013 and I want anything that will lead to that result to occur. But I also understand that building for the future takes time. whats the problem with wanting the team to win during some kind of hybrid rebuild?
4-4 including a win on the road over Atlanta on MNF and a win over the Cheating Douches rebuild season rookie quarterback 2013 is already a tremendous success for the NY Jets
I disagree completely. Ravens made the playoffs 9/13 years. Steelers made the playoffs 8/13 Patriots 10/13 Colts 12/13 How are these not great teams and great run franchises? You can't even point to the QB and say they got lucky, because the Steelers/Ravens runs consistent of two different QB eras. That's only the AFC. Average teams can win the SB, that's whole the draw of the NFL "Any Given Sunday" and the playoffs. But a franchise should find a way to consistently make the playoffs as the above have done. Yeah we can hope we can sneak in and go on a run, but the more times you make it, the more chances you get at it. The goal should be a balancing act between keeping the team built for the future and built for now. In 2010 the Jets were heavily built for now and it crumbled away from them. Right now they are built for the future with almost nothing in the now. They need to swing that but to too much in the other direction because it is possible to have a great team year in and year out and the teams that can't do that try to create plans to do it. EDIT: And since 2000, those 4 teams have represented the AFC in 12 of the last 13 Super Bowls! EDIT2: To go even deeper, the last 13 AFC championships have had 26 slots, those 4 teams have filled 19 of those spots. Raiders and Jets 2, Titans 1, Chargers 1, Broncos 1.
It should be treated as an evaluation year, but they should still compete to win every game. You don't just write off the whole year because expectations are low. Win as many games as you can, always.
I love following what the Jets are trying to do in scheme and in the front office, but no circumstances change the fact that I feel excitement when they win and disappointment when they lose.
Yeah, I stopped reading after "I still don't understand the obsession with winning in '13 when everybody knows this is a evaluation year. If Cumberland doesn't play becaus" Seriously though, I think everyone wants to see the team win. It isn't so much a case of not seeing the big plan, it's just a case of, when you sit down on Sunday to watch the Jets, you want them to win and you're disappointed when they don't. I don't think there's anything more to it than that. And rebuilding can happen quickly, it doesn't have to involve 4-12 seasons. It's okay to hope and dream that this rebuild will be unusually quick and might even start off with a Wild Card place. It's not likely, but we can dream.
2015. If anyone thinks we are realistically competing before then is dreaming. I think there was a poll done here a while ago in how long you think it will take for the team to get turned around. If I remember rightly most here had us turning things around in 3 years (hopefully) and 2015 is it. The strange part is, due to some fortunate events we find ourselves at 4-4 which is amazing, because we are battling and still rebuilding. If we can keep playing this way and having this mindset it is the start and the building blocks for future success. I like the way things are now moving and just hope that Woody stays the F out of the way and lets Idzek, Rex and Marty do what they do best.
I don't want a 'quick' rebuild I want it done properly and that takes time. All too often we've had these 'quicky' rebuilds attempted and yes we have some small success and then shrink back down where we've come from. I'm so sick of that. I think what Cman has said rings true, patience.... which many here lack. Unfortunately in this day and age , we live in a society where people want immediate results and get frustrated when things don't go our way.
This is a rebuild year. But sneaking into the playoffs isn't impossible, just unlikely, and then who knows what happens? 2014 I expect to see more progress. I expect us to be competitive and be in contention for a WC spot in week 17, at the least. Is it possible that we win the whole thing? Yes, but again, it's probably unlikely as we need to address a lot of holes this offseason and we're still a young side. 2015 is the year we should reasonably expect to have our shit together, but this doesn't mean it can't happen quicker and you give up on these seasons. Geno panning out is the key to this though as the OP stated. What I fear happening is a repeat of 09 and Woody putting pressure on because he feels we're almost there.
I agree that this should be the approach - I don't want the Jets to splurge their cap space on expensive free agents next offseason, for instance. What I meant was, it doesn't have to take time to do it properly. You can get lucky and have four or five really good players come out of a single draft and give the rebuilding process a running start. Geno has given glimpses of being a really good QB this year, so that makes a fan dream that maybe we can turn the corner more quickly than usual. You can also get unlucky and have a hold draft collapse on you. If Geno doesn't start to eliminate his mistakes, and if Dee Milliner doesn't switch on, then that could be the scenario with the Jets, which would set us back. The approach should be to build through the draft and to add young, affordable free agents, keeping cap space to re-sign your own key players. That does not necessarily have to take a long time. It probably will, but the chance that it might not is what gets fans excited.
or, we can win now. winning in no way precludes building, the goals are one and the same. why does it feel like everybody assumes the jets must be chance-less in order to set themselves up for great big winning season two years from now? like we need to win 5 or 6 for a couple of years before we go 14-2, as if setting ourselves up for contention today will get in the way of contending in the future. you free up space from those you feel don't fit the big picture, continue to add those that you believe are beneficial to your core and you freaking win NOW as much as you can while doing that. I don't give a rats ass if the team isn't "championship caliber" on paper or not, and I'm not knocking building through the draft or proposing we spend wildly at the first pretty name in free agency, but we really don't have to suck before getting MUCH better or even before contending. this year isn't a wash, it won't be if they lose to NO either, not until december comes and their out of contention does it become this. Is it really foolish to hope for an attainable goal?
You can win and rebuild at the same time, but the sky is falling threads after we lose is really surprising because all the fans knew we were going into a rebuilding year. The season isn't a bust if we lose games, Idzik isn't a goner if we don't win. The whole sky is falling thing when many fans talking like predicted us to have 1 or 2 wins by now is confusing. Yeah be happy when we win and upset when we lose, but also understand that this isn't the year the Jets were planning to have everything come together and win the SB. It's not like if they miss this year, they are going to lose all their key free agents and have 0 draft picks. It's the opposite, if they can grab a WC spot, AWESOME!. If they don't, they have a lot of resources next year to improve weak areas of the team
