I still don't understand the obsession with winning in '13 when everybody knows this is a evaluation year. If Cumberland doesn't play because of a concussion, what exactly does that cost us? A meaningless win in a season when we're really not going anywhere other than a decent DP and cap freedom in '14 and beyond hopefully. Same for Holmes coming back or not. What does it mean in the big picture? Holmes back doesn't mean we're suddenly a team to be feared on offense. Why? Because it changes nothing. We still have a Rookie Qb learning a new system from a new OC throwing to a group of mediocre Wr's none of which except perhaps Kerley could start or even be on the roster of elite teams. 4-4 feels pretty good right now. So would 8-8 at week 17. If the goal is to build a consistent winner, you have to have the patience to be willing to accept 8-8 or worse in order to build from the ground up. If you count MoWilk and year one of the Idzik era as already on the books, we're on schedule. This isn't about Rex Ryan anymore. This isn't about Mark Sanchez anymore. It's about the future of the NYJ's. 2013 is just another stop on the trip. I would imagine 2014 will be better, but again, still on the rebuilding path. If we don't see anything concrete by 2015, then yeah, time to worry as not only will Rex will be on the clock, so will Idzik. Jet Fans are not the most patient bunch. 44 years of not making a SB appearance will do that. The most important trap to avoid is impatience in this new age of the NFL where offense is supreme and defense is the red-headed stepchild. If Geno is not the one, we need to know that by the end of 2013 as the class of 2014 might rival the class of 1983 one day. No one knows what the future holds. After all these decades of watching other teams draft true franchise Qb's, its only natural that we want ours too. Idzik has one difficult choice to make at the end of the season. If he blows this, he most likely won't be around long enough to correct the problem in 4 or 5 years from today. Idzik absolutely has to get this Qb question right in 2013. For that, he needs to judge Geno's entire body of work and see if there's enough there to gamble the next 4 years or so on. So to my fellow Jet Fans. Particularly the older ones like myself that predate Parcells, I say relax and watch how things play out. It may be that none of us will live long enough to see the next Jet SB but we can say we saw the first one. That will have to be good enough. To the Next Gen Jet fans, get comfortable and get ready for a long path to a possible championship at some point in the future. Just remember that every trip begins with a first step. Idzik is the one that will take that step. If there's any such thing as a "Franchise GM', we'd all better pray that Idzik is that and wasn't simply in the right place at the right time when Seattle finally took off. Good luck Jet Fans. Every journey starts with the first step and so far in 2013, that's what you're seeing. Don't get pissed now. If by 2015 or 2016 you're seeing this same quality of play? Get dark.. Cman out..
2013 season This is not a win now squad. Compete and learn is the motto. Don't get caught up in the talk show mode. These were the same people who were in favor of Bret Favre.
A great post that will mostly be skimmed or ignored. Most fans now days can't handle reading anything that will not fit on twitter.
The Giants can go from 7-9 one year to a SB loss the next year or from 8-8 one year to SB champs the following year yet somehow we need 3-5 years to rebuild from a 6-10 year before we can compete? I call bullshit. If we could stay healthy and keep all of out skill players on the field each week, our team has enough talent to get hot at the right time and make a run for the big game. Injuries, turnovers, penalties, and inconsistency have kept this team from playing up to its potential. Sure we could use more talent but every team in the league has holes to fill. 2013 NFL New York Giants 2 6 0 2012 NFL New York Giants 9 7 0 2011 NFL New York Giants* 9 7 0 Won SB 2010 NFL New York Giants 10 6 0 2009 NFL New York Giants 8 8 0 2008 NFL New York Giants* 12 4 0 Lost Div 2007 NFL New York Giants* 10 6 0 Won SB 2006 NFL New York Giants* 8 8 0 Lost WC 2005 NFL New York Giants* 11 5 0 Lost WC 2004 NFL New York Giants 6 10 0 2003 NFL New York Giants 4 12 0 2002 NFL New York Giants* 10 6 0 Lost WC 2001 NFL New York Giants 7 9 0 2000 NFL New York Giants* 12 4 0 Lost SB 1999 NFL New York Giants 7 9 0
The goal is to win (Herm Edwards hello) no one expected this team to accomplish much this season, however if the team has a chance to win and make the playoffs I expect the team to make an effort to win. Fuck losing. We can win AND evaluate players at the same time. Neither one is exclusive from the other.
I agree. 3-5 years? Didn't the Colts go from 1-15 to 10-6 the next season? Save the patience bullshit for the birds. Players on this team need to do their fucking role in my opinion. At this juncture I don't see it, when CBs get burned it's always because of the communication. I didn't know playing man to man bump and run coverage requires communication... I don't know maybe I'm wrong there, but when a player looks lost ALL of the time, more than likely they aren't coming into the game prepared to fulfill their role given by the coaches. WELL SAID SIR WELL SAID. You said it better than myself.
I like your post a lot. It puts our roadmap in perspective. I must say this. In our brains we know we are a couple of years away if the rebuilding continues with the same success. In our hearts however, we still want the Jets to miraculously frog leap to a wild card spot this year, thus the disconnect. You make some really good points, I would add that Idzick might not know enough about Geno at year end, but he is savvy enough to continue his search by drafting a QB in 2014. We should actually draft one each year till be have THE GUY and his heir apparent behind him on the damned bench. After all you do not become a champion and sustain it unless the guy at the helm is top knotch. Nice refreshing post.
This sounds like a page from the Mike Tannenbaum school of team development. We don't have to mortgage the future and we don't have to have some miracle turnaround either. We need to take our time and get it right instead of chasing windmills. If it takes 3-5 years, then it takes 3-5 years. Patience and perseverance will be our key to sustained success.
JH, you of all people should know that we are not the Giants, we are the Jets. Stop comparing the two teams as that smells of some inferiority complex. What the Giants accomplished is great and it worked for them. The Jets needs to carve their own path to success.
This a very good post, but I think the main reason why everyone wants to win, losing sucks. We don't have a recent SB to fall back on either saying "oh we just won we can take a year to rebuild". Fans haven't seen a SB in so long (or haven't seen one at all), everyone wants to believe this can believe this is the year. There is also no guarantee we get better next year either. What happened this year was we were told as fans that this Jets team was #32 ranked in the league, that they flat out sucked. Now we saw them at 4-3 and 4-4 and that #6 WC spot up for grabs, everyone was caught up in the winning. There is nothing wrong with wanting to win, but I agree acting like the world is ending if we don't make the playoffs this year is wrong. I agree with your post though, and it seems Idzik so far has taken the patient approach. We stockpiled some picks for next year, haven't used any to trade up or trade for players. We have cap room going into next year and haven't made any rushed decisions. Idzik seemed to take a multi year approach to the team. Hopefully the picks pan put and we can field a more talented team next year.
Luck didn't play all that great his rookie year, but the COLTS played well as a team and did their respective jobs. We aren't playing well as a team. If we played as a team and lost, I wouldn't be as angry right now, but people aren't doing their roles. The secondary sucks because of communication? Since when did lining up against a WR and jamming him require communication? I like your post, not hating on you - just a little frustrating
You have to view this through a different lense. What the Colts did, no matter all their denials, was to dump in order to get their franchise Qb. Fact is, the Colts got away with it because their fanbase were willing to accept a bad season or two to get back on top. We have to change how we view the team and what our goals should be. We're not one or two players away. We don't have a bunch of all pros on the roster playing below their talent level. We are what our record says we are. Mediocre and rebuilding. and you know what? That's ok..
Because old buddy, things that work in one instance may not work in a different instance. What worked for the Giants or the Patriots may not work for the Jets. Why? We're not them, we don't have their personnel, their coaching staff, their scouts, etc.. We are the Jets. We have to find our way to sustainable success. No more quick fixes. No more splashy signings. We're not the Giants or the Patriots and if our way takes a bit longer, then it takes as long as it takes. In the end, we'll be better off for it. I'm not saying quick results are bad, I'm saying knowing our history, that's probably not gonna happen. We went down that road before and came up short. I for one am tired of coming up short.
Ruben, that would be the great equalizer: Time. By 2015, we'll have answers hopefully instead of question marks. We'll have several NFL years behind our young stars. Smith, Wilk, Sheldon, Milliner will all have had a good amount of experience. Experience isn't only the best teacher for players, it works for coaches and Gm's too. By 2015, hopefully Idzik will be comfortable in the GM position and his plan will start bear fruit. MM and Rex, assuming one or both of them are still here, will have gotten their respective coaching styles dialed in. At the very least, Rex should have the nuances dialed in and MM's system will be firmly installed. Keep you fingers crossed on those.. By 2015, we'll have a lot more talent on the roster if the revamped scouting dept. is worth a damn and the emphasis is shifted to the offense but not completely ignoring the defense. By 2015, we really need to see an improvement in the quality of play and the talent level on the Roster. If we don't, we will have structural issues that Woody will need to address.. Again.. Lets hope for the best ok?
The Giants had their QB and they had a pass rush and they put both of those things together in the year the QB was either going to make or break. If our QB had stepped up his game last year and we'd had the pieces for a pass rush we might have followed up 8-8 with a Super Bowl run also. The QB took a step back and the pass rush was still not there. People who are upset at the Jets for not having a QB available on the 6 pick in 2008 need to get over it. They also need to get over the fact that the pass rusher we took was a phony. People who are upset that the QB we did take on the 5 pick in 2009 turned out not to be the answer need to get over it. We took a QB this year and if he looks like the answer that's great and if he doesn't, well we'll have another shot at a prime QB in the draft next season. The pass rush is already here.
we will get better there is no question but superbowl calliber i think it will take more then 2 years.
This isn't the NBA where it may take 3-5 years to build a playoff team. If the Jets have a chance to win I'll take that over years of losing. Even if we suck for 3-5 years it won't guarantee better results. Teams like the Seahawks and Bengals have built a winner in short order without sucking every year. Btw I'd love if the Jets built a team similar to the afforementioned teams.
