I just don't see Gordon as being a "win-now" type move. Yeah, it will obvious help this season, but do people think we can grab a better, talented WR in the 2nd round (possibly 3rd round)? He is still only 22 years old and has shown he can get the job done in this league.
Are you kidding? Who is this phantom 2nd round WR prospect who is better than Gordon? As of right now Mike Evans is likely the top WR prospect & the team who drafts him will be lucky if his upside is Josh Gordon.
Being able to piss in a cup without the prospect of an immediate year long suspension is a necessary skill for any young player in the NFL today.
..And who's to say this hypothetical 2nd round receiver won't have similar issues? Is the prospect of the unknown THAT enticing?
Yeah many of us want Sammy Watkins.. I believe he was suspended last year himself. And he would take a first round pick.
I don't think CLE is just asking for a 2nd rounder. I think it's more than just a 2nd rounder or he would have been gone by now
This is a bad argument to make. Yes, the 2nd round pick might have drug issues and face suspensions as a result. Gordon already has those issues and the suspension he faces is a year long vacation from the game. This isn't a case of the unknown being enticing. It's a case of the known being repellent.
I think you guys are looking at this all wrong. It's obvious we won't win the Super Bowl this year. It's obvious we are rebuilding. Who do we have that we could give away for picks? Why can't we do what the Patriots do and stock up on draft picks?
I get what you're saying, and I don't think that the Browns would get rid of Gordon anyway.. But getting Gordon for lets just say a second is just like drafting a receiver in the second. Only thing is that he's already an NFL proven receiver.
There will be no deadline trade. That isn't Idzik's style. He's building for the future, not the short term. Save those draft picks unless it's for a game changer that will play here for 5 years.
We've already got some extra picks next year. The difference between 7 and 11 is huge. After that you start to get diminishing returns.
I wouldn't mind sending a 7th over for Britt. He's young, big, and skilled. He has dealt with injuries, and off the field troubles, but for a 7th your getting a guy that's 25 and a guy that is a skilled receiver. Worst case, he gets injured or doesn't play well and the Jets cut him, or resign him cheap. I think we can all agree that having a good 4th or 5th receiver is never a bad thing. Best case, he becomes a productive player for us (which IMO is very possible).
Apparently this needs to be repeated about 100 more times because almost nobody seems to get it. Everybody including Josh Gordon knows that he's a future star. Look at it from the other perspective, right now he's making peanuts in NFL money and he knows that all he has to do is go 2 years without smoking weed or getting a career ending injury and he gets to pass go and collect 20 million dollars+. He's not pounding blow off 3 hookers here, it's likely he can figure out how to quit smoking for 6 months a year with an impending suspension looming to get his payday. Is he worth a second rounder to us considering that? Yes. Can we get him for that? No. We need depth so I'd be leery about giving 3 high/mid round picks or 2 picks and Kyle Wilson. Athough he's a better bet to produce on the field than any WR in the draft we'd have to take our chances on a Watkins/Evans if they fell to our pick especially when you consider the rookie contract and clean drug test slate. It's a dream that costs too much to become reality, not a nightmare if it does.
I would trade a 3 and Holmes to Cleveland for Gordon. But Cleve won't do that and neither will Idzik. We will save our picks.
By the time we draft (probably) Marqise Lee, Mike Evans and Sammy watkins will be off the board, and if we are drafting WR with our #1, then we'll either have trade up or go BPA or TE/OLB/SS/FS/CB(again) Will Gordon get traded today? I doubt it.
Obviously Gordon hasn't been able to control his drug use in the past, even as he failed multiple drug tests. What makes this one different? Why do we not see him as a potential Pacman Jones? Young NFL players can and do throw away their careers now and then even though the flashing red lights in front of them are too numerous to miss. The "6 months a year" argument is bad because nobody knows when Gordon is going to get pulled over for speeding or a broken tail light or driving while black. Nobody knows what the guy who pulls him over is going to do and pissing into an NFL cup isn't the only way to get caught doing recreational drugs. He's just a bad bet. He's got all the talent in the world and none of the maturity and self restraint required to get the most out of that talent.
Just pointing out that one of the most electric NFL players of recent years flamed out for the early-mid portion of his career because he couldn't stop taking his entourage to strip bars, even though NFL security told him how the thing was going to turn out far in advance of the wreck. Lawrence Taylor would have played two years tops before a major vacation if he played today instead of in the 80's. He'd have had half the career he had in the new environment that regiments drug testing and makes it very hard to avoid getting caught. Talent is great and it's the irreplaceable factor in NFL competition. Maturity is the capper though. All the talent in the world isn't going to stop a player from flaming out if he can't adapt. Josh Gordon has already thrown away millions of dollars using recreational drugs. No team is going to sign him to a huge contract with lots of guaranteed money no matter what he does in the next year or two. His money will be hedged carefully in ways that allow the team to recoup most of it if he flames out. There's no reason to believe that having thrown away maybe $5M already Gordon won't "accidentally" lose most of the rest of what is coming to him.
Yup. Asking someone who has past drug issues to wise up--pick any period-- so that he can get that huge pay day just doesn't compute for some of these guys. It may make perfect sense to most of us, but to that player with those issues? I just finished reading Doc Gooden's book--the guy had the world by the balls and he cound't help himself. What should have been the greatest celebration of his life--the parade down the Canyons of Heroes in 1986-- he spent that morning in his apartment alone huddled in the dark strung out on cocaine and vodka. A bunch of us had dinner with him a few months back and he said there was nothing he could do to help himself. He was consumed by it--he had alternately stayed clean for months at a time and then fell back deep into it literally on a whim. And he made no excuses for it, just said he couldn't control it. Said he's still dealing with it now, every day. Not saying Gordon is anywhere near what Gooden was dealing with, but to expect some of these guys to stop or avoid any of the stuff they recreationally enjoy just to get the big pay day isn't a good bet. _
