Ahhh MR. Stokes, so glad you remember me. As far as being a pathological hater, nope. But facts are facts. A fumble is a fumble regardless of who recovers it. 55% or so of all fumbles are recovered by the Defense, Sanchez his first two seasons was remarkably lucky in not losing fumbles despite putting the ball on the ground too frequently. As far as being a hater and anointing Smith the next franchize. At no point have I said that Smith is THE guy. But I am treating him EXACTLY as I treated Sanchez his rookie season and the two seasons afterwards. I expect young Quarterbacks to struggle, I don't expect success out of the box. Dropped picks do matter when the same criteria is applied to all QB's equally. All QB's will have some dropped interceptions, they will also have interceptions that come off the receiver's hands so an accurate throw becomes an interception. To the best of my knowledge football outsiders hasn't published adjusted interceptions for this season. I could be wrong on this matter, I haven't looked. Regarding Smith's performance this season. There are things to like there are things to dislike, but being a rookie season I won't ride him too much. Just like I didn't ride Sanchez his rookie season, or his second season, or his third season. Whats not to like about Geno so far? He's turning the ball over too much, But not going to ride him at this point on that, he's a rookie. Now if he's still doing that in years 3 and 4 then yes I'm going to start riding him just like Sanchez. You ask for consistency, that consistency is there. I am treating Geno EXACTLY as I treated Sanchez his rookie season. To Compare Sanchez in season 4 or 5 to Geno in season 1 of their careers is inconsistent. I don't hate Sanchez, I just don't believe he's an NFL starting QB and that his ceiling AT BEST. AT his best Mark Sanchez might be a Trent Dilfer, 4 full seasons of information have pretty much shown that. With Geno we don't know what we have yet, we won't know probably for another 2 or 3 seasons. If he continues as projected and Geno has the same type of year next year there will be reason for concern. But don't go calling me a Geno lover just because I'm not knocking him in his rookie season. He gets a pass more or less as a rookie QB. so far he's been progressing as the season progresses, but the sample size is still far too small. Things to like, he's accurate and does throw the ball away usually if nothing is there. He keeps a cool head and doesn't sulk after mistakes. He owns up to his mistakes and takes ownership. He provides a threat to run despite being a pocket first passer. He has a strong arm and can really zip the ball. Things to dislike at this point. He's dropping the ball too much and he's made some poor decisions that have led to interceptions. He tends to backpeddle rather than step up in to the pocket. He's a little late often with his deliver's. The last two item's he's been improving on but has a long ways to go yet. But, as I've stated repeatedly, he's a rookie and these types of growing pains are expected. The question is whether or not he outgrows these rookie issues as this season progresses and over the next couple of seasons. Sanchez didn't, in year 4 he was still making the same mistakes he was making in year 1. He wasn't progressing. And that's what it's all about, progression, is the player growing and adapting or are they staying the same player they were their rookie season. As far as consistency, I'm very consistent. I apply exactly the same criteria under the same base circumstances equally. All told though, considering a crap offensive line. a poor receiving corp Geno's doing okay, not great and if this was his 4th year instead of his rookie year I'd be riding him just as hard as I ride Sanchez. It's the NFL, you either get better or you go out the door.
This might have already been mentioned, but why not put in Sanchez' rookie year stats along side the rest?
The whole point was to compare him to the rookie years of successful NFL QBs in the game right now near his age.
Parliamentary request for one Cam Newton, he of the 2011 rookie class, whom started 16 games and had broken the rookie passing record, as well as logging enormous rushing stats, finishing his rookie season only one game worse than Tannehill.
you mean Cam the giant bust who puts up big numbers against shit defences and flops hard against everyone else.
Cam Newton through 7 games: Passing Completions:152 Attempts: 252 Comp. %: 60.32% Yards: 2,103 YPA: 8.35 AYPA: 7.37 TD: 8 INT: 9 INT%: 3.57% Rating: ? I don't the formula to calculate this. His average rating over 7 games was 85.19 Rushing Attempts: 57 Yards: 266 Avg: 4.67 TD: 7 Fumbles: 2 Fumbles Lost: 0 Question Falco21, how do you find the fumbles vs fumbles lost? I had to look up each game Newton played as a rookie and see if he fumbled
Giant bust? You would have spooged your pants if Sanchez put up those rookie numbers, or any of his numbers for that matter. Probably would have started a Cam Namath thread. Yea, he went 6-10 last year and regressed from a record breaking rookie season, sue him. It's still the NFL. You wanna argue shit defenses you can say Geno is of the same ilk right now then too. It's only his third year, too early to call a Ryan Leaf Giant Bust, and people seem to think he's heading in the right direction. I just thought it would be another interesting name to compare Geno's progress to, but if you only want to compare 2012 rookies, knock yourself out. displacedfan, Thanks for the quick reply!
In terms of style and usage the guy Geno is most like through 7 games is Andrew Luck and it's not particularly close. RGIII and Cam Newton were running too much on planned plays to be a good comparison. Ryan Tannehill was staying in the pocket and not making nearly as many throws. Russell Wilson was still in the rookie bubble feeling his way along. I'm not saying that Geno is the same caliber prospect as Luck but he's doing the most similar job. Now there's a caveat here. Which is that the Jets have become more conservative with Geno over the last couple of weeks. If they stay in the playoff hunt and that trend continues he's going to be throwing a lot less passes than Andrew Luck did by the end of the season instead of 10% less like now.
Agreed, what we all liked in the beginning of the year was how the Jets where showing Geno how to win games, not be a game manager. I hope they allow him to continue throwing the ball down field.
I understand why they did what they did against the Patriots. We all wanted to win that particular game to get the monkey off the Jets back. I'm just hoping it was an exception to the rule and not the rule. We don't beat the Bucs week 1 if they've got the same handcuffs on Geno at the end.
Don't say that, dude. The guy is the real deal. His team is on a winning streak with not much weapon. Since he's been in Carolina they have yet to draft offensively to help him out. Same thing can happen to Geno if this team doesn't value offense. The guy is filthy with that football.
Oh stop, you're one of the most pathological Sanchez haters on the board. You've penned 10,000 word posts discrediting just about anything he's ever done that can be remotely looked at as positive. You derive the most pleasure out of doing anything you can do to disuade anyone who might have gained even a modicum of happiness out of Sanchez in 2010--all based upon your analysis of "dropped INTS" and "non-fumble fumbles". Seriously, we get it. _
It's true that the Jets have fewer options with Holmes and Winslow out and I'm sure that is playing into their thinking. The Jets are going to be in the question of what the purpose of the season is for a while longer. The Giants threw away a playoff spot in 2004 by putting Eli out there with a 5-4 record. He went 1-6 down the stretch and they faded quickly. The problem with the comparison is that Eli took forever to develop and the Jets and Geno do not have that kind of time to waste. It's a major conundrum.
Any chance we can add Sanchez to this list? Also, thanks for doing this Falco, interesting to see each week.
Love the tracker. I would like to add another column with the Win/Loss of each QB. Obviously it is a team stat, but I'm just curious.
I said this earlier, but no. I don't want to add a QB who had a short term of success who has been in the league much longer. The guys listed are of similar age and are deemed successful in the league as of today. I know Sanchez had his success, but he is now a has been and a lot older than the ones listed.
