I agree he's overrated by Jet fans BUT he is one of the best WRs in Jets history and outside of Namath is probably the most popular player of all time. He's going to make it at some point. He's not the Richie of the D, Richie barely played most of his career here and is mostly though of fondly for the 2000 season when he had a million recs. Ellis is one of the best players in team history, people think he had 1 or 2 good seasons b/c he only made 2 pro bowls and only had 2 double digit sack seasons but he wasn't a great pass rusher but a really good all around player for us. He wasn't expected to get double digit sacks but he did everything. He is deserving and will make it.
He may be overrated vis-a-vis other NFL receivers, but as a Jet he is legendary. Not being the "number 1" receiver is such a flawed criteria. He was a great Jet and THAT'S what the Ring of Honor is for, not how he stacks up against other NFL receivers- because he doesn't. _
Well then Chrebet was the only #3 or #4 receiver to get open and convert more 3rd downs than any receiver in NFL history, except the receivers who converted more. When Wayne's name gets called, the place will go nuts.
Considering the OP's question, it is one way to look at why the Jets have not had more success over the years, and that is in part that some of the best players did not have long careers. Take Lance Mehl. Imo one of the best LB's ever on the Jets. Pro Bowler, and how many Pro Bowl linebackers have the Jets had? He was the signal caller on those great mid eighties teams. but he only played four full seasons for the Jets, and retired in his eighth season after playing only 11 games in his last two seasons. Too common a story, imo. But of those who are not in but should, I would solve the Barkum v. Shuler comparison by putting them both in. Maybe Rich Caster. But perhaps the most solid case can be made for Kevin Mawae. I know some don't like the circumstances under which he left the team. More to the point he didn't even play half his career with the Jets. But he did start every game for seven straight seasons. He also made the Pro Bowl six straight seasons while on the Jets. So while Barkum and Shuler arguably should have joined the Ring long ago, I think Mawae is the best candidate. Ftr I do not agree that Chrebet should be in it. Like all other Jet fans I admired his determination and toughness. But I don't think those are enough to be in the Ring. Even he would probably tell you he does not belong. He just was not that talented.
he didn't have more 1st downs than any NFL WR, he wasn't even as efficient as Keyshawn. He was great for us and will get this honor but he is overrated by Jet fans.
for me it didnt seem like mawae played here for that long. i think people dont really think about him as a jet but he was here for a pretty long time and was dominant for the time he was here. gotta agree with you junc, he is surely overrated by jets fans. and a little bit of that should be expected but its a little out of control at times how people let their own personal likes of the guy to get in the way of being even semi unbiased. hehe, sorry stokes, i kinda stretched a little on the speed thing!
Mawae gets lost b/c he was replaced by mangold who has also been great. We have been great at C most of our existence.
true, and it just didnt seem like he was here 7.5 years. if you had asked me before we started talking about it i would have said maybe 4 years here. i am sure that part of it is how he left and that he was a little bit of a malcontent and union leader mouth in the locker room guy. but man was he good. we really have been blessed at that position for quite some time and pretty consistently for our existence.
I would put in Marvin Powell before Mawaee. Powell wasn't a mercenary. He was drafted by the Jets and was a 3 time all pro at LT. He might well be one of the least recognized best players in Jets history.
I would not be opposed to adding Powell. Interesting comparison, and ftr Powell did leave the Jets to play two abbreviated seasons at TB. But he had trouble staying on the field here and there, and was not as consistent as Mawae. In fact although he was with the Jets for nine full seasons, he ended up playing in 124 games while Mawae played in 118. Mawae also had one more pro bowl appearance while a Jet. Not sure what you mean by mercenary. In pro football, don't all the players get paid? That's what makes it pro football.
# 1 was based upon total yards and touchdowns per NFL.com. The only reason Cherbet was #1 in two seasons is that we traded Rob Moore and Keyshawn Johnson away during the draft in those years leaving us without a true # 1. The only reason James Hasty did not make the pro bowl as a Jet was that we sucked during the years he was here and therefore got no respect. If you were old enough to have watched those games you know he was a stud even before he got to KC.
I think Powell is one of the top 5-10 guys I listed. I would put Mawae in before Powell but would like to think they both get in.
On the subject of the tight ends, although Castor, Barkum, and Shuler had very similar stats I think Shuler would have the edge to get in first as he spent his entire career at tight end while the other two spent at least a year or two at the wide receiver position allowing them more opportunities to catch the ball and pad their stats. All three were solid contributors but if there isn't room for everyone I would give the nod to Shuler.
Dude, I'm 54, met Namath when I was 10, been watching the Jets since 1969. I agree Hasty was good, he's not getting in the Ring of Honor and Chrebet is. He's an iconic Jet- he's the "Flashlight". Layed his body on the line and the fans still revere him for it. How many Hasty jerseys do you see in the crowd at Met Life? I get that you like Hasty- I loved the guy, but he's not a legendary Jet. This isn't the Hall of Fame, it's honorary and that goes to favorite sons, not necessarily the best players. _
There is a decent chance that neither of them gets in. If Hasty gets in I would feel good about it. He earned his spot. If Cherbet got in I would probably think about half a dozen players who are more deserving and wonder who's spot Cherbet took.
Lol, Hasty is never getting in. Again, I loved the guy but he earned nothing as a Jet. When you play 1/2 your career as a Jet and 1/2 your career as a Chief and your career as a Chief was better than your career as a Jet, you're not getting in the Jet Ring of Honor. He has more of a shot and more deserving of getting into the Chief Ring of Honor. Chrebet's getting in, I'd get used to disappointment :grin: _
