Cro said post game it was zero coverage. So he should not have expected safety help. In addition, he should have been playing with inside leverage to not have the WR beat him to the inside as easily as he did. Note Walls did not get any safety help either and he was inside Brown's shirt on that play.
I'm sure Landry "fucked up" many times throughout the game, but on that play that play he was NOT the one who "fucked up"; Cro was, as per Cro himself. Incorrect, he helped Davis double team Miller. The safety that was in no man's land "cover"ing no one was Allen. Based on it being zero coverage, I think that was by design to stop the run. There really only 2 people to blame on that play, Cro and Rex. As stated before Cro just can NOT allow the WR to beat him inside on zero coverage. You could also blame Rex for calling the coverage. When I look at the overhead shot, you can't really blame Rex too much. It's 3rd and 2 so, of course he blitzes, puts the SS (Allen) in the box to protect against them running on our nickel front and had the FS (Landry) double team Ben's favorite 3rd down target Miller. He played to the %s and tendencies expecting the ball to come out fast; unfortunately, it didn't. If we get to Ben a second sooner or Cro does not get beat inside so easily, it's all moot. One thing I'll add in defense of Cro on that play is that they bunched the WRs to his side so it gave the WR a free release.
Ok but he wasn't anywhere near Miller on that play....Cro being a good soldier taking the blame, whether it was Allen's fault or not, but after the play he was schooling Landry on the sideline, by the way cro was beaten badly on the play, landry bites on every play fake and gets sucked in, he is horrilble...in run defense he is 20 yards off the ball...rather have seen jim Leonhard come back
He was over the top of Miller while Davis trailed underneath. Whether or not he was suppose to be there no one knows but her was near Miller. You may be right about Cro taking the bullet, but I can only take him at his word. Note the overhead shot supports that it was suppose to be zero coverage. I don't think Allen can be blamed in any capacity, there's no way one could expect him to provide help in the deep 3rd from where he was pre-snap. Again, I can't argue with you about Landry; he is what we thought he would be, a stop-gap. Landry's sucked his whole life and getting paid commensurate to his suckiness. What's Cro's excuse?
Cro's been horrible too, my only point was that Landry has been terrible, at least allen and Jarrett make some plays, he offers nothing
Not that I want to get into a Revis trade discussion (since IMO it was the right move), but your comment is pretty off base. PFF has Revis as the best CB in the NFL this year. To say he isn't lighting it up would be a foolish statement.
Not arguing he's still a top CB, but that's why you don't pay them 16M. They are still an 0-6 team. Tom Brady is a top QB who gets 16M+ and he just beat the high scoring undefeated Saints with ZERO outside playmakers by himself. QB 16M > CB 16M
Yup...Revis is SOOOO good Tampa plays cover 2 zone. Revis 'Island' is dead. Now he's just another DB playing zone. Like Rex said, DB that can, play man2man. DBs that can't, play zone. But whatever...the Bucs are 6-0 so Revis must be doing pretty good down there.
I agree playing zone with Revis is borderline retarded, but you're making a whole to part logical fallacy. The bucs record is irrelevant compared to how Revis is doing. Revis is having a great year irrespective to how poorly the Bucs are playing.
This week I want Cro on Thompkins and Walls on Eldeman. Cro with his long speed presents the best match up against Thompkins who is their deep threat. Walls has the better short area quickness so he presents the best match up against Eldeman. I would also like to see Rex ease Milliner back in the mix by letting him play some nickel. He played inside at times at Bama and did it well.
^^^ This. The Jets are 5-1 this year with an average offense. We have a rookie at QB being force-fed the offense that the Jets want to run for the next 5 seasons. This has resulted in a predictable number of turnovers which in turn have led to three losses when there likely would have been one with a stable offense. We have skill position players who would largely be role-players and backups on other teams but who have been thrust into a prominent role on a rebuilding team. We have an offensive line that has struggled with a hole at LG for much of the season. Now, don't take the above as an endorsement for somehow changing course at this point. It's not just Geno. It's not just Holmes, Hill, Winslow, Ivory and Goodson all missing chunks of the season. It's not just Vlad playing as much as he did at LG and Winters getting the rookie indoctrination there now. It's all of those factors. You could put Brett Favre at QB right now and the Jets would be sputtering, it would just be a grizzled veteran forcing the ball into places it should not be thrown instead of a fledgling rookie. This year is all about having patience and putting some pieces together so that next year when we add a bunch of pieces things have a chance to work out for us. Patience and scheme are key here. Cutting things short with rookie wristbands and ground and pound might sound good on the face of it. But this is not the 2009 talent base and doing that would just leave us watching a dysfunctional offense go 3 and out way too often instead of turning the ball over too often. Patience and scheme and hope the light bulb really goes on for Geno at some point soon. Hope that nobody else significant gets hurt on the offensive side. Hope that one or two of the young guys turns it on the way Powell and Cumberland both have at points this season. Hope that somebody like Holmes or Winslow comes back and plays at a Pro Bowl level to relieve some of the pressure on the not quite good enough guys around them. It may look like the secondary right now but it's really just growing pains. If those growing pains go away the secondary is no kind of problem to worry about moving forward.
The CB's have underperformed but the talent is there in Walls and Cro when he decides to start playing lights out and hopefully Milliner moving forward. The safeties however are a joke and they're making the rest of the D look worse than it is consistently. With 2 big upgrades at safety or one FS+OLB the defense will be special but until then it's just a good unit that's vulnerable to high powered offenses.
We've lost games when the opponent scored 13 and 19 points. This isn't about the defense. We absolutely should be 4-2. The argument for 5-1 is pretty solid also. The problem is on the offensive side. We already know this. It's why we are rebuilding right now. Last year's Jets team would have gone 8-8 at a minimum with effective offensive play, probably 9-7. 2011's team would have gone 10-6. The offense has fallen apart since 2010. We're putting it back together again now. We're in the early stages of doing that given that we have a rookie QB playing to whom the only alternative is another guy who has never played in an NFL game. We have a couple of good supporting pieces in the skill position players but nobody capable of playing a main role, at least as long as Holmes and Winslow are out. It isn't the secondary. The secondary is secondary to the Jets problems right now.
This pass defense is complete garbage. Among the worst I've seen in the league this year. More and more it's becoming clear that Revis made Rex Ryan what he was. All the schemes and blitzes are just hyped up bullshit that don't amount to anything. Any halfway competent offense will shred this defense all year long. Expect us to be among the bottom 10 in points allowed by the end of the year, and we'll be losing games left and right unless we're putting 30-35 on the board.
Has anyone noticed that the Jets, until that last defensive play, have had no pass rush all game. They didn't touch Brady that first half till that fumble. That has a lot to do with the coverage. The Jet defense was the story that half. Absolutely horrible. The offense had the one bad play but at least they've moved the ball. The defense gets too much credit, they were a joke that half.
