2 point conversion

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  1. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    No it wasn't highly unlikely. Had the jets held them out if the end zone and to 4th and longs before the drives ended, more time would have been available for them to kick fg's and get another possession.

    Your entire premise would have required Rex to assume the D couldn't stop them and the Falcons would go on Td drives that would eat up the clock. It may have played out that way, but hindsight doesn't make you a genius for applying your argument to the game and Rex not conceding his D would give up TD drives.

    Your post depends on both and both are nonsense.
     
  2. Barcs

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    Like i said, it's easy to call from your couch at home in hindsight. Everything isn't always so black and white. NFL teams are not all identical. You don't always go for 2 there. Funny thing is you completely neglect to even consider that this team is young and they don't have all that much experience in 2 point conversions. You also completely neglect to even consider that our team is built on the defensive side of the ball, and a team putting up 2 TDs against us in a quarter is highly unlikely. If it were the difference between 6 and 7 point lead, I'd agree, but it's between 13-14 and yeah there was still time for TD + FG + FG. You HAVE to take the guaranteed points with all that considered. I felt that scenario was way more likely than 2 TDs, and I thought the Falcons were stupid not kicking the FG. The refs ended up bailing them out as well. In the end, we won by 2 points, and the 2p conversion would have meant nothing. Anyways, statistics say I'm right. 99% chance of success is far greater than a <50% chance.

    I can't believe people are dwelling on this nonsense. I guess the darksiders need to find something to do after a big win. It's just never good enough for you people. There MUST be something to whine about and act like they know more about coaching than an NFL coach. :rofl: Why aren't you coaching in the NFL, Jonny? Clearly you know way more than Rex about coaching :lol:
     
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  3. BleedGreen89

    BleedGreen89 Well-Known Member

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    simple math tells you you go for 2 there to try and go up two scores...whats the difference if you're down 1 or down 2? nothing. but its a big difference if the other team can only tie it at 28
     
  4. BleedGreen89

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    how the hell is anyone even arguing this when ATL scored twice and went up by 1?
     
  5. jonnyd

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    congrats--thats the dumbest thing said in this thread.

    I agree we are built in D.....very unlikely we give up 3 scoring drives. a TD and two FGs would take longer than two TDs because the Jets would have (barring a fumble on KO) 2 possessions in between versus 1.

    Satistics dont say youre right...99% versus 50% is a small part of the equation since your 1 point is meaningless. That is the part you dont understand apparently

    And you last point about my knowing more than Rex is also obviously retarded. Basically what youre saying there is Rex is always right because hes an NFL coach.

    Ive always found you to be one of the least knowledgeable psters on this board and youre confirming it each and every week
     
  6. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    see my responses to Barcs' stupidity.
     
  7. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    apparently, we're not allowed to assume that they score two TDs. We're supposed to assume the far less likely scenario of them scoring a TD and TWO FGs. Apparently, we're not suppsed to assume the worst case scenario and plan ahead to ensure against it killing us. Oh and because people are morons

    Oh and dont forget Barcs' idea of us being a young team with no experience converting two point conversions hahahhahaha
     
  8. Barcs

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    ^So why aren't you coaching in the NFL? Clearly you know more than everyone else including our HC :rofl: Obviously you know more about the team's strengths and weaknesses than the coaching staff that practice with them everyday. The size of your ego must be HUGE. Your insults only prove the desperation of your argument against Rex. Step away from the ledge. It's okay. We didn't lose.
     
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  9. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    Theres no desperation in my argument at all. Why would I be desperate. The two points is the logicl play there. Its quite simple really.
     
  10. JetBlue

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    it's cute that for you to grasp the game you have to reduce the complex series of events that have multiple possible outcomes that make up a game into a simple scenario with no complexity whatsoever.


    because hindsight is irrelevant to whether it was a good decision.

    your position requires you to argue with absolute certainty, which is impossible, that it was impossible that Atlanta could have been in a position to score a TD-FG-FG, and thus a 13 point lead was meaningless. that is an absolutely asinine argument to make, and just because the game played out a different way in hindsight doesn't change that.
     
  11. Biggs

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    Atlanta has been awful in the red zone all year. On the other hand they move effortlessly between the 20's. The game is also in a dome and Bryant was 4 for 4 in fg over 50 last year. I'm not a statistician but I believe the odds might actually favor 2 FG's and a TD rather then 2 TD's under the circumstances.

    You also can't discount quick scores due to turnovers and special teams where taking a point off the board can have a major impact. The points Atlanta left off the board at the end of the first half is a case in point.

    Additionally missing a conversion impacts the momentum of scoring a TD. Not getting it is a decidedly negative play for the scoring team and a positive play for the team holding you out from the conversion.

    Going for 2 early is almost always a mistake.
     
  12. WhySoSerious488

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    I don't even see how this is debatable. Our coach made a bad oversight that nearly cost us the game. I'm sure other NFL coaches would have made the same oversight, but Rex needs to focus more on game management. I would wager that the thought of going for 2 did not even enter Rex's head. He sent the extra point team out because that is what usually happens when you score a TD. Posters here are defending Rex as if Rex was really sitting there debating the value of being up 13 or 14 with 12 minutes to go. He was already consumed with the next defensive possession.
     
  13. WhySoSerious488

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    The 4th quarter is not early. Also, Rex did not sit there and undertake any of this analysis, he just made an oversight.
     
  14. tank75

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    you guys are probably right, rex doesnt have a team of coaches in his ear all game helping inform gametime decisions

    he just kinda goes out there and wings it and whatever happens, well, shit...

    oh but some chart thats posted on the internet says this... its laughable
     
  15. Acad23

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    At some point Rex's poor game management skills are going to cost dearly.

    I like Rex and I think he's a good fit for the Jets...but he really needs to make better decisions during the game.

    I will give him credit for having Geno start right away this season.

    That seems to be working out great.
     
  16. tomdeb

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    We were BOTH screaming the same things at our TVs then. No downside going for 2 at that time.
     
  17. Barcs

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    It's logical if you're a complete buffoon, sure. Funny how simplistic your argument is. Dur 7+7=14.

    Terrible fans of this team.... Seriously people need to stop acting like if they were coach they could do better or make better decisions. YOU CAN'T! If you were coach of this team we'd be 0-5. Just stop with the constant RR nitpicking. RR > Everyone bitching in this thread about him.
     
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  18. Ralebird

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    Why so nasty, 314? Do you really think the name calling adds to your argument? If you want to live and die by the chart alone, be prepared to go for two four minutes into the first quarter when you're at 7-6. Oh, that's too early? Your beloved chart has no times on it but the fact exists that going for two is essentially taking a point OFF the board two times out of three. Don't like that? Fine, tell us when your "chart clock" starts. Now tell us if it starts at the same time in an over/under game of 20, or of 44, or maybe 58. Finally, how many of you "chartists" out there really believe momentum plays no part in the decision -a decision weighed by more than just the head coach?
     
  19. ArmandJ

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    We won the game. Why does this thread exist? God...
     
  20. displacedfan

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    It makes sense to go for 2 there, even if we miss it. The Falcons already showed earlier this game they were going for it in the RZ. 2 TDs loses you the game whether you are up 12 or up 13. 3 possessions in 12 minutes after the Jets were letting the Falcons only throw underneath all game seems highly unlikely.

    12 minutes is right on the edge of zone of 1 or 2, but I would have gone for two. As we saw, going for 1 there ended up backfiring for the Jets that game.
     

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