You are off there a little my man...he's been around one year. This is his second. I am NOT surprised at this at all. I would assume he's continuing to make plays in practice but they made the decision to go with draft position over preseason production. I think if we see a couple more multiple turnover games you'll see Simms. Unlike some on here I do not believe any hype that Idzik is "tied" to Geno etc... He was a 2nd round pick and thanks to the collective bargaining agreement not an expensive one. I'm on record as, once the season began, I would support Geno. But I've also been steadfast that I thought Simms was the better choice right now. Having said that, we still need to give Geno ample time. Unless the excessive turnovers continue. I can commiserate with the frustrations of having a receiver corps continually dropping everything in sight! But, you then punt...not press and cause debilitating turnovers. Especially when 2 field goals win that game.
I'll support Geno as long as he is behind center, but I wouldn't mind seeing Simms get some actual game day experience.
my first thought was this is the media trying to keep the qb controversy alive now that sanchez is out of the picture for the next 8 weeks. 2nd thought was this is a motivation ploy to let geno know that just because sanchez is not behind him,the threat of being benched is still very real.. maybe mix it as a little of both. either way , the best thing for the franchise is for geno to become the franchise. wrongfully geno will be what the 2013 draft class is graded on. geno be a hit would go a long way to restoring credibilty
It's also true that Idzik was at the Alabama Texas A & M game. Maybe to look at Qbs. But Geno has to be given a real chance. Only two starts while Mark got over 60 and he's still around. Simms was also shaky during part of the Giants game. I did not see the game but read about it and talked to a few who saw the game on TV. I'd stick with Geno but have no problem going to Simms as a relief pitcher if he really is horrible.
Simms wasn't Shakey in the Giants game OR the Eagles game....you read wrong. I have watched both at least 10 times.
Am I the only one that detected the tragic irony of you calling someone 'fucking stupid', when in that same post, you are claiming that genome and geno rhyme? :rofl2:
Rhyming doesn't require it to be identical to every last detail of each syllable. So, the answer would de no, you are the only person fucking stupid enough to attempt to claim they do not rhyme. This type of rhyme is known as a forced rhyme. Imbecile.
I guess you are reaching back all the way to your days sitting in class in front of the venerable Professor Suess, but Geno and genome are separate words that do actually rhyme. Are you ever NOT going to fail at something here?
Yes, I said it. Most NFL owners are very rich, very white, very conservative republicans that populate America's 'exclusive' country clubs (exclusive = no blacks, no women, no Jews). Think Agusta National, amongst the most exclusive that until losing a recent law suit had excluded women and Negros (ie, Tiger Woods). (These are the same exclusive clubs that rich white men cancel their membership to the day before announcing their run for the US Senate.) The last bastion of a white player, QB, has been slowly eroded by the emergence of talented black QB's, who up until the 80's and 90's were thought to be 'intellectually inferior' to white QBs. MOST owners would love to stock their teams with the Chrebets, Mathews, Mannings, Woodheads, and Welkers of the world, but they can't (ask the Boston Celtics). After losing their whites only mentality for QB's, they had to be FORCED to interview blacks for Head Coaching positions. Why do you think that is? Ok....Sorry for the d-rail, lets get back to Jets football!
Yup...they're just getting better of hiding it. Seems like there's always the token 'best black friend' in the mix somewhere.
Yeah, not everyone realizes that the new CBA has an enormous impact on the drafting of QBs. Although the overall salary cap wasn't cut (as the owners wanted, on the argument that some teams are building new stadiums), they decided to make a move that was friendly to both owners and players who have completed their initial contracts, by setting up pre-ordained pay scales for rookies. JaMarcus Russell held out for the OTAs, minicamps, training camp, the pre-season, and the first FIFTEEN weeks of the regular season of his rookie year, before the Raiders gave him a $68m 4-year contract with $31m guaranteed. In other words, he was getting top QB money right away, and that $17m per year is a huge portion of your salary cap. Even the $7.5m guaranteed money is a lot; that's what a mediocre starting QB gets. When he failed, and the Raiders did keep him like 3 years, no matter how much he sucked they just couldn't draft another promising QB. You can't have two $17m/year QBs on your roster, and even when you cut Russell that ends up being about $24m/year you're spending at the QB position. It's just too much. Cam Newton only got $22m, fully guaranteed. That's $5.5m a season, much, much, much more reasonable. Still a lot of money, yet if he ended up being terrible and led you to a 1-15 season, you could still draft another one and still only be paying ~$11m/year on QBs. In other words, you only have to pay Payton Manning money if you have a Payton Manning quarterback. (Or I guess if he wins a Super Bowl, which is how an average QB can get top QB money.) This all benefits veteran players because when rookie contracts are worth less, there's more money for free agents. Teams like this because veterans are more of a known quantity, and you don't get burned as much when your draft picks bust, and then on the other hand, the teams get huge bargains when they actually do work out. Geno Smith's contract was for just over $5m, including a $2m signing bonus and some workout bonuses totaling around $700k for the last two years of his contract, and about $1m in salary is fully guaranteed for his rookie and second years. He takes up about 1% of the cap space per year of his rookie contract- which is very easy for the Jets to afford, really the big thing is that you don't want to have wasted a 2nd round pick, Geno's salary cap implications don't prevent the Jets from drafting another QB next year. Granted, Geno is a 2nd round pick, not an early 1st round pick, so his compensation is a lot lower than what an early 1st rounder would get. But even EJ Manuel's contract is only $8m over 4 years, and he went a lot earlier in the draft. You could afford to draft early QBs without worrying much about the cap hit, but on the other hand, you need 1st and 2nd round picks to form the core of your team going forward, so if you decided "we're going to keep taking a QB in the first round until we get an Andrew Luck" then within a few years the rest of your team will deteriorate a lot, and it usually takes 2 - 4 seasons to evaluate a QB. But the idea of having two early-round QBs on rookie contracts on your roster is actually feasible now since they get paid a lot less. If we did have a new HC (a move I strongly oppose) he could use the 1st round pick to take a new QB, and then you could go with NewGuy, Smith, and Simms, and decide whether to start NewGuy immediately or let him learn on the bench for awhile. Simms gets like $0.5m a year, Smith gets $1.25m a year, and NewGuy gets about $2m a year, so you're spending under $4m for your QBs even though 2 of them are early-round picks. I definitely agree that Simms showed the most promise of the QBs based on the pre-season games, but that is an admittedly small sample size, and Geno was playing hurt for his big start in pre-season week 3. The coaches seemed to believe that that hurt him a lot, and seemed confident that he was actually a lot better than his performance in that game indicated, and they might have felt that he did much better in practice than Sanchez and Simms and that that overrode his injury-handicapped performance. Sanchez is not crazy for saying he was winning the competition- he did play better in the pre-season games, but his injury made that a moot point and it would be very tough on the fanbase to ask them to watch another 16 games, flinching every time he throws a screen pass, waiting for the next butt fumble or fumbled handoff. Unless the other QBs were clearly incompetent, it would be hard to tell the fanbase "I think Mark gives us the best chance to win" again after listening to that last season even though it was true. On the other hand, since there are limited first team snaps and they all went to Mark and Geno, we never really got to see how good Simms is in practice. We only got to see him in some pre-season action, where he did make some really good plays, but where he was also lucky that two interceptions he threw were dropped and became incomplete passes. One of the hard things about football, and the quarterback position, is that football is so demanding and so few games are played each season that it's hard to really see how good a QB is. With baseball, you KNOW who the good pitchers are, because you've worked them up through progressively more competitive minor league circuits for 4 or 5 years, and the ones with the lowest ERAs and the batters with the highest averages and most home runs, you know they're probably going to be good. You can have 50+ pitchers in your farm system and pluck out the ones who look ready, and if they're not you just send them back down for more experience. With the NFL, you must make a commitment to a QB, but the gap between the BCS and NFL is enormous. You have very limited reps and roster space, and very few games per season are played. 1 NFL game is like playing 16.2 major league baseball games. It's like winning or losing for 3 weeks straight- you can't really afford to screw around, and NFL coaches are expected to be successful within 1, to maybe 3 years or they're usually fired. So, there's a lot of pressure, and a lot of fear of the unknown in the NFL. High draft slots come at a premium, and GMs are judged largely on whether they end up hitting on enough of those first 3 rounds. You really want those early round picks to pay off, so even if they thought Simms was a tiny bit better than Smith, they'd still go with Smith because you don't want that 2nd round pick to fail. Obviously if they knew Simms was Tom Brady 2.0 they wouldn't think twice about naming him the starter and forgetting about Smith, but there's no way to know that unless you give him at least half a season or so to see if he's immediately very good like Brady, Romo, and Warner were. (Late round and undrafted QBs have to be very good immediately because there's nothing invested in them, in picks or significant cap space.) If Smith starts throwing a lot of picks that indicate bad judgment (rather than "bad situations" like we had in the 4th quarter of Week 2) and doesn't seem to be learning, I think you do need to see if Simms can provide an immediate spark. But if he is learning, getting more comfortable and not holding onto the ball for so long, learning when to run and when to get rid of it (which, he is good at getting rid of the ball), getting better at reading defenses and finding the open receiver, etc, then you have to let that process continue and hope that by the end of the season he's playing pretty well and can maybe win 6 of the last 8 games even if we only win 3 or 4 of the first 8. He does not need to be given a third or forth year to prove himself if his QB rating is in the 60s. But he should be the presumptive starter for the rest of this year (barring a horrible implosion or injury), and if he's got a good upward trend then next year you can have Smith, Simms, and Sanchez as the mentor with a big pay cut, else you trade Sanchez and get a different free agent mentor QB (or maybe keep Brady Quinn, but there's probably a better mentor type available after this season.) Anyway, I think that the Jets are inclined to go with Smith at this point. He did have a terrible QB rating in the Patriots game, but Marty was basically putting the team on his shoulders in the late 3rd quarter through the 4th quarter, and he was trying to be the hero by making some risky throws (which is what they wanted him to do, basically, else they would have just given the ball to Ivory 70% of the time in the 4th quarter like most fans probably wanted.) The field goal range interception was by far the worst judgment-wise, but at this point I think you have to give Smith the chance to learn from his mistakes, and the OC the chance to tailor the game plans around Smith's strengths and weaknesses as they emerge through these games in the beginning of the season.
Geno is the only talent we have on this team. Who ever said they would be open to start Simms over Geno is just trying to get themselves fired.
Great theory. Basically they are either openly racists, or they are racists who are good at hiding it. Very convenient -- if Smith is pulled for Simms, it's not because Jets want to see how the kid does in real game, it must be because WJ, Idzik and RR hate black people. If they decide to keep Smith in, then they are just cleverly hiding their hatred. Thanks God the football god sees through their evil intents and informs us all.
A forced rhyme? You are a god damn forced fart. Moron... http://allpoetry.com/column/7523857-What-is-Forced-Rhyming---by-Mephitic_ID_Synergy See reply to Retard #1. This is a bit of an embarrassing moment for you gay lovers. The fumes from the fry grease must be disrupting your neurons or possibly causing your retard gene to express itself. Either way thanks for the laugh :rofl2:
