I think your post is right on. Revis was a non factor for us last year so the issue circles around how the whole secondary gels this year with Milliner and Landry. We could e better I fully expect our WR corps and TE to be much more productive simply by virtue of the game plan by a damned good OC. This will also make the running America better. Our front line will be awesome helping our average LB e a little more effective.
I agree with the OP - we got 5 wins without Holmes, Revis, and Keller last year, and I see 5 wins as our floor. Aside from a new OC, however, I don't think we've done enough with our roster to improve upon last year because we are saddled with some fat contracts. We are paying for deep playoff runs, signing FAs, and trading draft picks and even though it was a great trip, we need to rebuild. Priority #1 in the rebuild must be improving the QB position. I don't hold out too much hope that a new scheme will make Sanchez less prone to the bonehead mistake and lack of accuracy, but I'm fine with another season of Nacho if Geno isn't ready and needs to learn his craft. Trotting Geno out there too soon will likely lead us back to the same place 2-3 years from now.
Yeah- but I don't think that we should assume that Geno is "the guy" at this point. Even if we bench him for a year, he might not be decent next year either, or the year after that, or ever. Statistically, it is not clear whether there is truly a "ruining" effect. Meaning, we assume that starting a QB before he is ready ruins his confidence and therefore prevents him from ever developing- but it's impossible to know if those QBs would have been bad even if they'd been benched 1 - 2 years first, because you can't go back in time and try whatever option you didn't pick with that particular QB. It's possible that starting them early just lets you see how good they are faster, since they get more experience faster. It's also possible that letting a guy ride the bench for years takes him out of that focused mindset because he knows he probably won't start, and so he doesn't work as hard. I would bet that not all QBs would react the same way- some would become lazy if they start off being benched, others would triple-down on studying film and practice and work out obsessively to try to become the starter someday; some would react to struggling as a rookie by having a meltdown and lose their confidence and stop working so hard, while others would take it as a learning experience and work extra hard to prove that they aren't bad. The one area where it is clearly an advantage to being benched for your first year is in terms of learning the playbook. If that's the major problem, then yes having that extra year to learn it, develop the muscle memory, etc, could absolutely make a big difference. But if that's not the issue (Geno supposedly studies obsessively and learned the playbook much faster than expected) then there's less of a benefit to benching them, as far as I can see. I would assume that it will be just as hard to "adjust to the speed of the game" whether your first season as a starter comes in your rookie year or in year 3. I don't see how a 3rd year player starting his first game would avoid that issue just because he's a 3rd year player- starting and playing in the NFL would still be new to him, so I would think he'd struggle just as much as a rookie in that regard. I think it would be best to take a QB in the first round next year, since there are so many good prospects, and between the new guy and Smith, at least one of them should be decent. Better than taking a WR, because he might end up being wasted on a sub-par QB, and then you have to draft another QB the next year anyway, when the draft pool won't be as good.
the premise of the post is it they aren't issues because we went without them for the majority of last season. there fore there absence or in holmes' case lesser impact on the game shouldn't be a barometer for gauging the jets 2013 season. soxx, you're pretty spot on with this this is just unbelievably ignorant and borderline paranoid dellusion
Can you explain what "elite" pieces the Jets have that will allow them to reach "elite" status in the NFL? Young players who have proven themselves on your team: Wilkerson, and that's it. The rest is just hope. Coples, Sheldon Richardson, Milliner, and anyone else who hasn't yet dont anything in the league. And what is there on offense? I can't think of one young, elite player. Not trying to be a dick, I just think its egregiously early and pretty unsubstantiated to be throwing around a term like "elite" before you even know if your players are good or bad.
This. We got a legitimate OC and now if we can only reduce the rediculous turnovers we might see 8-8 this year. Maybe 10-6 if we're lucky. I am completely out of my mind writing this. Actually I have a ghost writer. I'm gonna have to bring this up in our next meeting. Nothing goes out without my approval anymore.
We are finally infusing youthful players on this team that could be very good, on both sides of the ball. You do not have to have a team full of elite players to be an elite team. We have a lot of players that have the potential to really breakout and come into their own in the next couple years. It's all about development. Offense: Bilal Powell Stephen Hill Clyde Gates Jeremy Kerley Jeff Cumberland Vlad Ducasse Defense: Demario Davis Quinton Coples Sheldon Richardson Dee Milliner Kendrick Ellis Snacks These are some young players that have been instilled on this team and if half of them can be good/great we will be in very good shape. I am not claiming they will all pan out but I have a good feeling about most of them and that is encouraging.
Top echelon defense four years running. I think defense go in "elite" category right off the bat. "Foundation" you covered for me with your list of young prospects. :up: On offense, when you're at the bottom there is only one place you can go. :up: The Sanchez story is almost over. The Oline and ground game are being rebuilt. We have an actual offensive mind at coordinator now. Clearly, moving in the right direction to break top 25 and compete for top 25-20 range. I know we are all excited about the rookie talents at wide receiver, Also young seasoned Kerley and Hill, winslow, Cumberland, ivory, Powell and Goodson; and who knows maybe we have the next Tom Brady in the mix of our Qb competition :breakdance: I know it gets boring up there in Toronto, but patience buddy; hockey is right around the corner. :up:
You guys realize we had our worst year under Rex without Revis You notice the run D suffered a ton right, Revis helps us by allowing an extra body into the box he also never allows runs to the outside You can take that #2 ranking in pass defense and say we don't need him but there's no replacing Elite Cornerback play
The Ravens and 49ers have better coaches and the 49ers are just loaded with talent. I am an admitted Miami fan but I follow the rest of the division. I am writing off the Jets this year for a couple of reasons. First is your reason number 4. QB. Geno Smith is RAW. He's far from ready it seems. Sanchez is your best QB and he's hurt. And when he's healthy he is a turn over machine and highly inconsistent. The drama and distraction are going to drag your team down. Next reason is Rex himself. He is a great defensive coordinator but he's on the hot seat and he knows it. He completely lost control of his locker room and looks like he could be fired any minute. Once again drama and distraction. Next? Tannenbaum. He screwed you guys and left you with bad contracts and some marginal talent. You have a good defense but there is absolutely no one on your offense that I am scared of. Mainly there is so much drama and such a circus around the Jets that I can't see the way that your players can just play good football. You need to clean house. Get rid of Rex and Sanchez and rebuild your offense. But right now I see no chance for the Jets to win the AFCE or make it into the playoffs. Right now I honestly rank them last in the division. Maybe I'm wrong and your Jets will put together 10 or 11 wins and shock the world. I don't see it but that sort of turnaround has happened before. We'll see when the season starts.
This is not going to be a successful year for our Jets. Not because of Revis or Keller, but because the offense really lacks talent on any level. Also, our HC just isn't really that good a HC, IMO. The only threat we are going to be this year is in the Clowney Sweepstakes. We may just win that one. The media is right in writing us off though. We simply will not contend this year. And those who know me know I am no darksider, just a realist who looks at this team objectively. And I don't like what I see when I do.
werent we 6-10 last year? i mean you talk as if we dont need to replace those guys because we didnt play with them last year... and won. however we didnt play with them last year and did not in fact win. so your point, well it stinks.
I disagree. Elite Defensive Line play can replace Elite Cornerback play. Moreover, the cornerback play will not be worse than last year (since Revis played less than 2 games) and will likely be better (addition of Millner, development of Walls, but Wilson is still Wilson). The defensive line (and the linebackers) will be far superior to last year. The only real weakness I see on the defense is at safety and while I expect some growing pains, I think it'll sort itself out OK. I expect this defense to be a top 5 defense and maybe a top 3 defense. The addition of a competent OC will make a huge difference in the offense. Do I expect them to be a top 5 offense? - no, but with the defense they have they don't need to be, if they're just middle of the pack on offense and cut back on turnovers, this can be decent team and maybe even contend for a playoff spot. If Geno starts and develops well this could be a very dangerous team late in the year. It's unlikely that Geno could be any worse than Sanchez was last year.
People are writing us off because.. 1. Our QB situation is a mess. 2. We don't have much talent on offense. 3. We lost, Revis & Landry. 4. The GM and HC don't seem to be in sync. Do you want me to continue? The JETS are not the worst team in the league and not nearly as bad as perceived through the media. BUT we're not a top team nor a playoff team.
You need to look a little harder then. Have you even watched this offensive scheme, have you? Have you watched all of the preseason games? To say that we have nobody on offense is fucking stupid. We really have an unknown offense at this point, a young offense, and they only have room to go up. Our WR are getting open consistently in this offensive scheme, the QB play hasn't been horrible, our offensive line has been playing very well thus far, and we do have a running game that will help us throughout the season. Stephen Hill - Looks like he has gotten much better since last year, he still has improving to do but he looks a lot closer to being a legit weapon then not. Clyde Gates - This kid could be a steal for us, he has a ton of potential and the Jets have been developing that. I have heard nothing but good things about this kid and he is a dual threat because he will also be our new kick return man. Bilal Powell - This kid looks like he is going to be a player for this team, he has improved a ton and looks like a legitimate weapon for us. He could be the best RB we have on the roster and our RB depth is very good. He has looked amazing in preseason and his vision and cuts have made people look silly already. Santonio Holmes - I'm not a big fan but he is dynamic. This system fits his skill set much better then years past and if he is as in good of shape as it is being lead to believe, we should have even more success in the passing game. That's just a few, I could go on. To count this team out is stupid at this point. We don't know what this season is going to hold and the only indications we have right now is based on preseason play. In preseason play we have looked extremely good on offense and we rank in the Top 5 across the league in numerous categories. Which is a far cry from being dead last in almost every single offensive stat from last preseason. We have a legit OC now, we all know this defense is going to be amazing per usual. So why the fuck do people think we are going to be the worst team in the league at this point? ..because the media says so? If you're going to claim to be a "realist", then fucking do it, all you are is pessimistic.
1. It's not really a mess at all, it's just a calculated measure to ensure the best guy takes the field. It's not that big of a deal at this point. 2. That's bullshit. Just because we don't have house hold names doesn't mean we don't have talent on offense. This offense is going to surprise a lot of people. 3. Who fucking cares? 4. Why are they out of sync? I would argue that they are more in sync then I ever would have thought considering the personalities of both men. Rex is towing the line right now and is adjusting to Idzik because his job is at stake. Rex is all aboard the Idzik vision at this point, I am confident because of that, they are very in sync at the moment.
We did win games without them and had a top 10 defense along the way. I think the point is that the roster is not worse than last years roster was, it has only improved overall, so why would we not AT LEAST win 6 games this year? So..
