Syria spilling over into Turkey (a.k.a. It's Going Down)

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  1. Brook!

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    Hey Barry. I hope you don't mind me asking. Are you American or European? I live in USA for the last 8 years and Galatasaray is not well known around here. :)

    You are right about Hagi. He was a great player for us. He played for us for 5 years and we won 4 National Championships back to back from 1996 to 2000.
    He also brought us our first European Cup in 2000. He was a true legend.
     
  2. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    I'm a Yank, but I love soccer. I have been to a few matches. Did they make it out of the Group Stage of the Champions League?
     
  3. Brook!

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    Yes we did

    Manchester Utd 12 points
    Galatasaray 10 points.

    Second round draws are on December 20th.
     
  4. Brook!

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    Today, Israel formally apologized from Turkey for the killings that happened on a flotilla in 2010.

    I wasn't expecting it. I don't think anybody was expecting it. Obama pulled a surprise and made Bibi(Netenyahu) swallow his pride and make the call to Turkish prime minister.

    I think this will speed up Assad's departure in Syria. Also I bet Iran is not happy about two old allies making piece. Turkey sides with Sunni's in Arab world and doesn't like Iran's Shia influence in Iraq and Syria. Israel doesn't like Iran for reasons I don't need to repeat. Iran's days as the Cock of Middle East might be coming to an end.
     
  5. VanderbiltJets

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    Not true, actually http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/03/22/inside_bibi_s_apology_to_turkey although one could certainly infer it. IMO, I'd assume President Obama offered concessions in exchange for the apology (or at least assured Bibi that Erdogan would apologize for and clarify his anti-semitic comments, which he did).
     
  6. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    Oh boy... just what we don't need. Russia is sending missles to Syria and now the US sending jets to Jordan

    http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/...jets-to-jordan-as-part-of-exercise/?hpt=hp_t2

    I don't buy the excercise thing, this is absolutely to defend Israel against the missles the Russians are sending to Syria and Hezbollah. Throw AQ on the other side who we are for some reason arming. Lebanon has already been hit with missles and this has the potential to blow up into an outright war between the Sunnis and Shiites. You have Iran influencing one end and the Saudis the other end. Get your popcorn ready.
     
  7. Br4d

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    If Russia hadn't been on the mat in 1991 there's no way the Gulf War happens the way it did.

    Seriously, the diplomacy on our side for the last two years has been aimed at not having World War III break out somewhere. If the Russians have really decided to prop Assad at all costs I think our chances to avoid a major conflagration are low at this point.
     
  8. Barry the Baptist

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    I think you have to look at it from Russia's POV. Syria is their ally. They have a base there. You have the US/UK and France sticking their nose in the business of Syria and Assad. The US is giving aid to the "rebels" to fight their ally. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are giving the "rebels" weapons to help fight Assad, they can't stand by idily while their lone real ally in that region aside from Iran takes on these fighters from 29 different nations. I look at it this way, if hypothetically civil war broke out in say Japan (obviously it won't but for hypothetical reasons) and China was supplying the side we don't want to win with weapons and money would we stand by and not do our part to ensure our puppet I mean ally stayed in power?

    I don't think Russia is inerested in starting WWIII but instead making sure their man stays in power. I think the US is doing this more to prevent missles from Syria hitting Tel Aviv or Amman.
     
  9. abyzmul

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    Syria is just proactively protecting their position on the 33rd parallel.
     
  10. Br4d

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    Nobody is ever interested in starting a major war. The way these things usually happen is the great powers take sides as the minor powers rub up against each other and then all hell breaks loose.

    I think US foreign policy in Syria over the last two years has been to stay at arm's length so that if a major war threatens to break out the US is not one of the players involved. That gives the US the distance to go to the UN and the EU and the Russians and attempt to mediate.

    If we were down in the mud with everybody else then we don't have the distance and at that point who else is going to step in and try to break things up?

    That's actually the simple scenario. The really complex one is what happens if Syria draws Russian forces in to support them, as advisers for example, and then launches an attack on Israel either directly or via a proxy like Hezbollah.

    The Middle East is a lot like the Balkans in 1914 at this point. One miscalculation or action by a loosely associated party could bring everything tumbling down in a series of escalations.
     
  11. VanderbiltJets

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    It apears as though Benghazi was the CIA's hub for trafficking weapons.
     
  12. deathstar

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    Target practice coming up.
     
  13. JetsVilma28

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    This is a huge problem.

    Genocide= humanitarian concern
    Chemical weapons= humanitarian concern
    My Country is in debt wayy over its head
    UN Strike means United States led UN Strike
    Russia will back Assad
    WWIII
     
  14. Poeman

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    Whose on Russia's side?

    Russia wont help us but it doesnt mean they will fight against us in battle over this...It would make them look like complete idiots.

    Putin may be a jackass but he isnt stupid.

    This Syria issue has blown up and we have to get involved now. I was of the believer we should not have, but what is going on is absolutely unacceptable.
     
  15. JetsVilma28

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    Russia is a Super Power. They might not have a lot of support from powerful friends, but China will continue to trade with them and Iran will support them.

    There's no question, United Nations has to step in. The situation is very fragile though. It gets scary when you start talking about Super Powers at war. The potential is there for this to escalate quickly.

    We just can't seem to ever regroup back home. We just go from one conflict to another. It's endless.
     
  16. Jay Bizniss

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    Don't understand why we have to get involved with every fucking conflict that happens outside the US, when we have enough shit to deal with at home.. At a certain point you have to take care of your own people...
     
  17. JetsVilma28

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    This is the fall of the Roman Empire. We are spread out all over the world, in debt and preparing to spearhead another "United Nation" strike.

    Build a Fort in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, where countries of the middle east can trade with us (oil). For all other intensive purposes completely abandon that region and North Eastern Africa. Funding Egypt, are we really this stupid :breakdance:

    The thing with Syria is this is Genocide. Chemical weapons are being used to completely wipe out these people. For humanitarian reasons alone, the entire World; should not be able to sleep at night knowing this.
     
  18. mute

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    yay more war :rolleyes:
     
  19. mute

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    and yes this is the biggest problem with the U.S. Can never mind their damn business and always want to be everywhere in everyone else business.

    If the U.S focus on its self decades ago it would most likely be truly the best country on earth.

    But nah. Gotta spread your beliefs and invade other peoples land...

    This is the reason one day the U.S will fall, hard.

    You cant just keep on doing this sh!t and expect to go on.
     
  20. abyzmul

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    Meh, this is all just a build up for a one world government. Wall Street funded the Bolshevik revolution (and the US and British government aided it by ensuring Trotsky made it to Russia) to start the Russian Socialist Experiment, saw what worked and what didn't, enabled Russia to abandon that experiment while keeping the same people, for the most part, in power, and now Russia is like a double agent for the US.

    If Russia steps in as an element of opposition to the US, you can bet they are on the same side of the coin at the end of "WWIII". And they will be one of the first countries to wholeheartedly commit to the NWO.

    These Arab states are pawns on the board.
     

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