so you'd prefer to miss the playoffs or not play for the right to go to the SB? unfortunately we haven't had the same luck as '68 needing just 1 win to make the SB while the 2 best teams in the AFL battled it out then travelled to a rested Jets team but being close means something. Those weeks were fun and I'd much rather play for the right to go to the SB than not.
RE < the only thing that comes close to back to back AFC title games, is winning super bowl 3..> You have it backwards pal. The only thing that comes close to super bowl 3 is arguably back to back AFC title games in 2009 and 2010. But I can say that I enjoyed Bill Parcells in 1998 and Walt Michaels in the 80s at their title games just as much. But fact is the team didn't get it done any of those times. Close is for horse shoes.
So you (the plural you to address all of the others who think the same way) want to blow it up, and then what? What's your plan? Who's your guy? Who is the HC that you know will take us to a SB victory? You have no fucking clue and you will never put your neck out there because it involves a plan, and risk, and you just like to tear shit down. I know that you will continue to have no patience for anything. You'll bitch about the next HC after 3 games, and Geno when he starts, and the next QB we draft, and the next GM, and the next HC. You'll applaud when we sign the has-been big names, trade draft picks for overpriced veterans, and scream when we let overpriced veterans walk. You are the face of the Jets. You are why this team can't succeed. You are holding us back because you demand failure with your short sighted Yankee attitude and the Jets are just giving this shitty fan base what it wants.
there is no plan. that is b/c trolls like this have no clue at all what they are talking about. this is just the mentality of the clowns who think that firing the HC every 4 yrs is somehow a good idea. In fact its a moronic idea especially when you are talking about a HC who has taken your team to back to back AFCCGs. Firing the HC every 4-5 yrs is what crappy franchises do.
i havent followed this thread but just had to poke my head in here to see what abdul salami had to say. it was great as usual.
I love that the Rex defenders keep bringing up "back to back AFCCGs." We would not have even made the PLAYOFFS in 2009 if Jim Caldwell had not pulled/sat Peyton Manning the 2nd half of the final game of 2009--We all know that, but I suppose Rex should get credit for that too, right?. And let's consider recent history with Rex--10 wins in 2010, 8 in 2011, 6 in 2012. and lucky if we win 4 in 2013. WITH REX, WE ARE GOING THE IN RIGHT DIRECTION AREN'T WE? And according to the above expert, let's not fire our coach no matter how bad the record so that we can always say "We don't fire our coach every 4-5 years, like the "crappy" franchises do!" Right--Makes me feel a lot better while we're losing. Yep-It makes a lot more sense to STAY a "crappy franchise" with a crappy coach who has crappy QB's butt fumble tattooed to his crappy body to remind him of who his favorite crappy player is so the crappy coach can keep chirping "Mark gives us the best chance to WIN!" (sounds like crap to me)
Do we have a plan? The "want Ryan fired" people are asked, do you have a plan? Of course we and I'm sure Idzik have a plan. When the JETS fired Mangini, was their plan to hire REX, no, of course not. Their plan was to hire the best available candidate, and draft a QB! When the JETS fire Rex, the plan will be exactly the same, hire the best available candidate, and draft a QB! Now who will that be Hmmmm, If Parcells wont come out of retirement, then get a Parcells disciple, from the Parcells caoching tree! How have they done besides Bills 2 himself? Well, Belichick 3 rings, Coughlin, 2 rings, Payton 1 ring! Is this enough of a plan for the "dont fire Rex group"? I dont know, but I do know that looking at the success of the Parcells coaching tree, that would be my plan, and hopefully Idziks also!
I don't recall the 1968/69 Colts as ever being referred to as the best team of the century before this post? Hell, Earl Morrall had supplanted an old Johnny Unitas as the starter by that time. They were a very good team, but let's not get carried away. I'm pretty sure the 1964 to 1968 Packers are rated a little higher.
OK reading through this thread is amusing, some of these so called fans don't understand football very well. While Rex has made some mistake during his HC time, to blame him for some of the stuff is crazy as heck. Are we really blaming rex for the bad contracts, and lack of depth, as far as I have learned (I am in college for sports marketing and sports management) the GM is the one who signs, drafts, and deals with player contracts. So the ex GM is the one who helped to cause the problems on the personnel side of your argument. Also most coaches (on all levels) have a side of the ball they focus on (ie Offense or Defense), that's why most coaches hire a good coordinator in their weak points. While I don't the specifics of our coordinator and who choose them (if the HC, GM, or Owner), we have finally hired somebody who know offense. Shotty and tony were not great coordinators but of those shotty was the better coordinator. At the same time his play calling and refusal to try to find a replacement for Hunter were the reason for holme's meltdown in 2011. Honestly I would give Rex another two years after this year (which a rebuilding year with a new GM) to see if he can get us back to playoffs. I mean this year is a clean up tennebums mess and get our roster in order, so next year we will have cap space and a good amount of draft picks and idzik can begin fix more of the whole (he started a good amount of the base work this offseason) with talented player and or good draft picks. if rex cant get us back to the playoffs after a real GM(one who understands how to build a team correctly) then fire him. I still think rex if you build a team correctly can win a superbowl, Tennebum was a horrible GM that traded away draft picks, kept player way past their prime, and brought in players at the end of their careers instead of building through the draft. I know some wont I agree with me
No. A) simply saying u r gonna shake the Tuna Tree again is not enough of a plan. B) In case you missed it, we have already shaken the Tuna Tree multiple times C) Shaking the Tuna Tree was a FAILURE w/Al Groh and w/Eric mangini (neither of whom were as successful as RR has been). D) If you still think that shaking the Tuna Tree is a brilliant plan - Then tell us exactly which fruit off of that old tree do you plan on hiring to replace RR??? E) Here are the Tuna Tree choices that you would likely have to choose from w/your brilliant plan: Romeo Crennel, Tony Sparano, Chris Palmer, Ray Handley, Charlie Weiss and Mike Macintyre. Go Ahead and tell me exactly which one you want to hire to replace RR who has been the 2d or 3d most successful coach in NYJ history....
Two things. Morrall was brought in during pre-season when one of the backups to Unitas got injured. Unitas injured in arm in the last pre-season game and the Colts went to Morrall. Secondly, at the time, 1968 Colts, who had a 13-1 record, were being compared to some of the best teams ever like the 40's Bears, the 50's Browns and including the Lombardi packers. I'm not ragging on you, but the '68 Colts were damn good. team of the century? I don't know about that.
I mostly agree with you, but it is a little more complicated than the way you describe things. Tanny was the GM, and as such he is the "captain of the ship" of the front office and therefore it is fair to give him the blame or credit for draft picks and trades. Most GMs have some type of scouting background or player evaluation background, but Tannenbaum's background was on the contract negotiation / salary cap management side of things. Honestly, he would have been great as just the head of contract negotiations and helping manage the salary cap, but the full GM role was too much for him. He had to rely on others to tell him what players he should draft or go after in free agency. The problem with that is, a good HC isn't necessarily that good at evaluating college players. They may feel like they need this or that guy, even though there are better players available at different positions that could help the team more. Mangini was better at picking players than Rex is, so if you're relying mainly on the HC to tell the GM who to draft, the team ends up declining under Rex even though he is a far better coach than Mangini. Rather than get rid of Rex, though, Woody correctly chose to fire Tannenbaum and get a GM who had more of his own thoughts, rather than just let Rex do it all. When Rex doesn't have another strong person to act as a counterweight, he starts creating distractions by boasting that we're going to win the Super Bowl and all that. Idzik was criticized by some fans because he also comes from the contract negotiation / salary cap management side of the front office world, not from the scouting side. But unlike Tannenbaum, Idzik would spend extra hours every day studying tape, studying reports, talking to scouts, etc to try to learn as much as he could and become competent at player evaluation to the point where he could develop professional instincts of his own. That's something Tanny never had - and to his credit, he never pretended to have them either, and knew that any gut feelings he'd have would be meaningless because he knew no more about football than a regular fan. I definitely agree with you that Rex needs to be given another 3 years (including this one) to show that he can take the team to the playoffs. With a GM that will stockpile picks instead of trading them away, and who will make offense a priority, the Jets should be able to make the playoffs in 2014 and/or 2015. This year nobody's expecting that, and realistically the best that we can hope for is that Smith shows that he can be the quarterback of the future, the offense improves, and the defense is great with Rex micro-managing it as he did the first two years. I think Rex is learning a lot along the way and is a better coach now than he was at the beginning. He learned that he has to be super involved with the defense, and not try to be a normal HC who leaves the day-to-day stuff to the OC and DC. Nope. He has to have a strong, competent OC and trust him completely with the offense. Marty is that OC. And then he has to run the defense himself and just use the DC as an assistant to help out. And have a GM who will take his needs into account, yet still have the bigger picture in mind and make sure to invest early-round picks on offensive players to help build up that side of the ball into a strength, rather than having a horrible offense and then trying to make up for it with great defense.
They don't want their to be a plan.They don't have the patience for that. They'd rather pretend the salary cap doesn't exist, the draft is a sure thing,player development is irrelevant,injuries are just an excuse & that a great head coach also means a miracle worker. Where do you think the whole "Mangenius" nickname came from? They don't have the knowledge or confidence in the realities that have served the great franchises in this league so well. Sticking to a reasonable long term plan w/o going for the quick fix or big splash. That's what works. But that doesn't happen overnight. And they aren't willing to wait more than a season. Rex wins when the team has talent. There's no argument for that.But rather than recognize that & allow the team to rebuild the roster, they'd rather have complete turnover, make way for ANOTHER coach's vision & let the whole ridiculous circle go round & round all over again. Sad but true. I hate you dark siders.
1. Mangini was NOT good at picking good players. Don't just take my words for it. Notable picks worthy of mention during Mangini era are: Mangold, Ferguson and Revis. After that, MAYBE David Harris. After that? It's a fucking disaster all over. Anthony Schlegel, Kellen Clemens, Jonathan Bender, etc etc, and yeah, the crowning moment. Vernon Gholston. At least, the draft picks during Ryan's era have less disasters. Other than Mark Sanchez and Vladimir Ducasse [in case of Sanchez, the organization did their absolute best to fuck him right up in the ass, mind you; so you cannot blame either Sanchez or Ryan for fucking up. It's more of the organizational disaster, headed by the moron Tannenbaum.] there isn't much so-called 'disasters' a la the Ghost. 2. So, if Rex Ryan's deficiencies lie in his incompetence over the offensive side of the ball, who is the right replacement? If the next guy brings up top 5 offense, only to shit the defensive side, same logic will apply - in other word, you'd have to find a fucking Football God to coach the Jets. And trust me. Even if that happens, some will still bitch about this and that. But that's my take. I would really really love to know who the next heir apparent should be. Like I said above, he had better be the fucking Football God reincarnated. He has to be omniscient on all three phases of the game, especially on offense and defense. [Good luck finding that. I am sure I will win powerball before you find that right one. And I just don't buy lottery tickets, if I didn't tell you yet.] 3. I really hate repeating myself. How many times do I have to say "You have to have 11 guys who are good, to have a solid defense"? [That's from Bill Walsh - so if you got a problem with that, at least bring up some evidence to say that old man is wrong.] That he can do with much less is a testament of what kind of blessing it is to keep Ryan here in NY. As long as he is here in NY, the defense will belong to the upper echelon. Isn't that a fantastic starting point? Especially now that a solid offensive coordinator is in place, if they can stay there for a few years, this has a real good chance to be something special. So now we should just blow the whole thing up and start from square one? Are you fucking nuts?
A lot of people who want Rex fired believe Sanchez was the worst QB in the league in 2009,2010,2011, and 2012. If Sanchez was so bad, isn't it impressive Rex has a winning record at HC with Sanchez? Rex hasn't done a great job here, but he's done a good job. If he wasn't here going into this year, the draft picks we invested on the defensive side could go to waste and we might have to rebuild the whole team instead of the offense. By keeping Rex we have an opportunity to rebuild the offense and keeping the defense at a high level of play. Rebuilding the offense falls on getting better talent, a job I believe is the GMs job. Our previous GM was fired because he couldn't do this, and now we are changing. I don't see the upside of firing Rex or firing him earlier this year and rebuilding the whole team when the defense under him is set. We have 1/3 of the units ready to go, fire Rex and change that to 0/3 units ready to go? EDIT: ^^ Zach beat to me one of my points, we have the defense set under Rex under his picks. By losing him, we go from having 1 above average unit to 0. Keeping him means the rebuild can focus on offense and with all these draft picks we can build some solid depth for ST too
"Rex wins when the team has talent." And why don't people "recognize that?" That's pretty profound. So when the jets lose under Rex, it's never his fault because "we didn't have the talent." And if the jets should ever start to win under Rex, then it must be because of Rex. Glad we worked that out--Rex as coach gets all the credit should we ever win--He also gets a free pass for each loss although as coach HE decides who plays and he trusts in butt fumble#6 year after year ("Mark gives us the best chance to win!"). Right, not Rex' s fault at all if he stays with a QB who stinks year after year--must be someone else's fault.
