I don't even get an acknowledgment that you botched the facts on the Bills "75 yard drive"? It's such a big victory when you fudge up like that.
Sorry junc, 2012 simply has too many gems to ignore. I'll start with the last two seasons and limit my focus to the red zone picks, picks returned for touchdowns, and game-clinching sack fumbles (as all three are irrefutably, "game-changing") : 2012: @Seattle - A red zone pick late in the 1st half. Completely changed the complexion of the game. Made worse by the fact that it appeared he had someone open in the end zode. A truly classic Sanchez pick. Houston - A red zone pick right before the half. Again, completely changed the complexion of the game. @NE - A game clinching Sack fumble. Classic Sanchez. @Tennessee - haha. I really don't need to elaborate on this one. We all remember where we were that night. That last pick into triple coverage, with us threatening to score, was just . . . legendary. I won't bother to examine the entire games in which his thorough incompetence gave us virtually no chance to compete in. 2011: @Baltimore - A pick six with the Jets down 27-17. Maybin had just sack-fumbled Flacco at around the Baltimore 25-30 yard line. The Jets had all the momentum and were on the verge of making things really interesting after being down big. And then Sanchez throws the game away with an epic, 70+ yard pick six. @Miami - The game that forced me to officially jump off the Sanchez bandwagon. Several critical mistakes in this one. We'll stick with the huge red zone pick late in the 4th quarter that basically ended our hopes. He was dreadful in this game. @Denver - This is one of my favorite ones. A pick six that gave Denver it's only other touchdown besides the infamous 95 yard drive. If memory serves me correctly, it was 10-3 (May have been 13-3) at the time. Our defense was completely dominating them. That pick six changed everything. It gave them life in a game they were never going to win. IMO, it was the biggest single play of the game. And Sanchez was awful that night, by the way. Dallas - Horrible Pick Six in a one score game (we were down 17-10) that really put us in a whole. We came back and won, in large part to a blocked punt, but at the time, that was a game-changing play. These were just some of the more epic ones, off the top of my head and without the benefit of any research. Uhm, listen, you really don't want to go down this road, if your primary goal is to defend Sanchez.
lol. ouch. What's hilarious is that's not even the one I was referring to, but it might as well have been.
look at the play by play sheet. scoring drives started at: Buf 10: TD NYJ 20: TD Buf 25: TD Buf 19: FG http://espn.go.com/nfl/drivechart?gameId=311127020 before mocking someone you may want to get your facts straight. 100-25=75, right?
Look at the play-by-play. Buffalo went three and out and punted. Cromartie than muffed the punt to Buffalo. The drive summary is essentially awarding Buffalo a 4th down conversion on the Cromartie muff. Buffalo starts the drive on the 36 post muff, throwing a td to Brad Smith on a circus catch over Cromartie (I believe) on the next play. Maybe you should get your facts straight.
Most will be from 2012 where he was brutal. going over your list: 2012: at Seattle, terrible INT- game changing? the game was tied, we got the ball back near midfield on the next drive. Terrible pick, I wouldn't call it game changing, Sea was MUCH better than us, they were beating us regardless. Houston: That was all JJ Watt, the best defensive player in the game last year and we had the ball w/ a chance to win in the final minutes, that was not game changing. at NE: he brought us back from 10 pts down in the 4th and gave us a lead which our D promptly blew. at ten: I agree 2011: at Bal: I don't think we were beating Bal but that pick essentially ended the game so I agree. at Miami: the game changing sequence happened on a near 13 min drive led by the immortal Matt Moore. at den: bad INT but we took the lead back after that, allowing a 95 yd drive to a QB who can't throw in the final minutes was the game changer. Dal: we WON that game and it wasn't a pick 6, lee was down inside the 5. now let's find 2009 and 2010 please.
My mistake but Buf never lost possession. yes, the great Brad Smith caught a deep ball for a TD against our legendary D. Thank you for enhancing my point.
I wouldn't say it's unusual to have a let down after stopping an offense three and out and then having to be right back on the field. That's especially true on the very next play, and especially for the player who coughed up the ball in the first place now being asked to put it out of his mind and defend...but that was an outstanding play by Brad Smith with Cro in perfect coverage. I still don't see how it enhances your point when the drive shifted from the Buffalo 25 to the Jet 36.
Yes, a red zone pick in a tied game is absolutely a game-changing play. JJ Watt, or no JJ Watt, it was a bad play from Sanchez. And yes, that play was game-changing. Just because the game was still winnable at a later poing, doesn't change that reality. And by the way, Mark disappointed on that last drive, as well. LOL, yes but that doesn't mean that his game-ending sack fumble wasn't game-changing. A lot of your excuses and rationalizations for Sanchez are true, but unfortunately, they just aren't relevant to what is being discussed. I'm only highlighting game-changing turnovers that Sanchez has committed. Once more, this is a "non sequitur". The 13 min drive was a key, inexcusable, and game-changing lapse by the defense . . . but the fact remains, Sanchez's int was also game-changing (and game-ending). Giving up a 95 game-winning drive to Tebow was inexcusable. So was giving a team that could barely move the ball a free six points. Both were game-changing. I know we won, I mentioned that. It was still a game-changing play. And my mistake, not a true pick six.
The Denver game was a killer Slim! We were in complete control. Tebow was really a non-factor until of course Sanchez threw that pick, and gave life to Denver and Tebow. That pick and that game were absolute killers for the Jets that season!
because sancho "lead" them down the field. even though he didnt. notice how more than half of the game changing ints, fumbles and red zone fumbles werent really game changing to the junc man. he is a troll, his only purpose here is to "debate" that is why he stays away from arguments like the qb is innaccurate which can be shown in video as well as with statistics. thats why he stays away from things like the qb folds up under pressure in the pocket, because it can be proven. thats why he avoids discussions about things that are quantifiable. because they dont fit his need to troll. he always sticks to things like namath wasnt any good. peyton manning is good but not great. sanchez would have led the giants to 2 superbowl wins, eli would have not made it to the superbowl with the jets, 27th ranked but top 10 best. these are all things that are not quantifiable, that is why he uses them. he wants nothing more than attentoin and to get the goat of the next poster. he is a troll, he is more of a troll than any opposing teams fan that comes here regularly. then he throws in douchey comments like i am here to teach you average fans and the rest of the bullshit... its not his way to come back at people "attacking" him. its his way to keep people engaged and begs them to get annoyed and come back at his absurd topics of discussion. he has been doing it for years, since herm, then pennington, then schottenheimer, now sancho, next it will be someone else that is a hot topic and he will choose the unpopular side and he will use arguments that arent quantifiable and everything will just keep on going. i would ignore him, but i feel it necessary to correct him every now and again so that people dont buy his bullshit. for a long long time alot of people on here bought it because he is very convincing and spends quite a bit of time and effort concocting his arguments. and then sometimes after he ignores the quantifiable parts of an argument i just throw pot shots at him for awhile because he is a douche. and they let people know he is a troll without me putting too much effort into it.
I have begun calling that Denver game: Soul Grinder #3. #1 was the fake spike, #2 was the AFCC in 98. For short, I just call it sg3.
the player who coughed up the ball was a defensive player, Cro killed us on STs at Oakland earlier that year too. There were 11 minutes left in the 2nd qtr, the game had almost 3 qtrs. to play. It was not a game changer. His poor play throughout prevented us from having a chance. How can a play be game changing when we were down 10 pts at the time and we wound up having the ball with a chance to win? JJ Watt was the difference in that game, making plays normal players cannot make. He was blindsided, if the D doesn't blow the lead we win. The game changed on that 13 min drive just as the game changed the week earlier on the 99 yd TD. We got the lead back at Denver, the D couldn't stop tim Tebow from the Den 5 yd line in the final minutes. how did the game change? we were down 7, the INT set up a TD to go down 14. we came right back and scored a quick TD to pull w/in 7 and eventually tied it on the STs play and won it after the INT. The play didn't hurt us b/c we won. I am waiting for 2009 & 2010.
Yes, it killed us so badly that we reclaimed the lead only to watch our "great" D allow a QB that can't throw to go 95 yds in the final minutes to cost us the game. except as bad as the INT was it didn't cost us the game. sg3 should be the D blowing yet another lead, this time topping all others allowing a QB that can't throw a football to go 95 yds in the final minutes. They couldn't even hold Den to a FG to tie it, they needed to allow them to score a TD to lose it.
Yeah, nyjunc told us to forget everything that happened before the Steelers went on the clock killing drive in the AFC title game because that was the game right there and the defense blew it. In the case of the Patriots game, it's Mark Sanchez with the ball in his hand in OT with a chance to either extend or win the game and he fails. I think it's only fair to forget everything prior and put that one on the offense.
