Can't wait for Rex to be fired

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  1. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    That's right. The way Belichick does it is the only right way to do it.

    I get that you're used to the way your favorite coach handles the media, but come on, guy.
     
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    Cman68 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    In some rare cases they do. Billick did it with Rex on the roster. My point is, Rex isn't the best coach ever to walk on the gridiron. His winning percentage with the Jets, while above .500, is pedestrian at best when compared to other franchises that have been around at least as long as we have. Rex is better than Mangini, Edwards, Groh, Kotite, etc. That doesn't make Rex bulletproof nor is it reason to keep him while his team is trending downwards for a third straight year. He's simply the best of a bad stretch of coaches this team has hired over the decades. Perhaps it means the organization will do a better job of talent eval, particularly when it comes to coaching candidates, than they have in the past.
     
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    There are a lot of valid reasons to think Rex is the not future head coach of this team and the Jets should move away from him or should have in the past but failed to do. The OP addresses none of the those valid reasons in my opinion.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    These two posts alone should be enough for a troll banning.
     
  5. TonyMaC

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    you make it seem like thats a sign of incompetence, like he's throwing around different formations at random while not knowing whats going on despite coaching a team thats assembled to be something in a consistent formation.

    thats not the case at all. The defense is not meant to have one look about it, its built to be versatile with the ability to shift from one look to another based on what Rex feels works best at any given time.

    sometimes they DO use a 4-3 formation, sometimes a 3-4, sometimes a 46, sometimes something else all together. the point is to make it hard for offenses to read whats coming. The players assembled are here because they bring an ability to adapt to this defense and its many possibilities, they aren't square pegs in round holes as you or OP make them out to be but bit players capable of doing whatever Rex needs them to do.

    its chaos, but thats the point and thats the plan.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    That's right... He just happened to trip over never being ranked less than sixth overall team defense ever in his coaching career.

    What a fucking fake you are.
     
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    Cman68 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    We lost both AFCCG's. There's no other way to say it. The team didn't even play particularly well in either game. At least not an entire 60min effort. Its not good enough just to be there. You want to settle Zero? knock yourself out. Give Sanchez a new contract at the same time you give Rex his 5 year extension. Its only been 45 years so there's really no rush anymore. As long as the fans buy the PSL's and the swag and the TV ratings are good, no worries.

    At least we're not the Lions or the Cubs right?
     
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    The Great American Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand how so many can defend Ryan as HC. He's taking this team from 12 wins down to 8 to 6 wins the past two seasons. Seems like he's heading in the wrong direction ... unless his goal is a Top Five draft pick.
     
  9. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Levy lost 4 straight superbowls too but I don't remember people using that as a justification to fire him. (And he had a quarterback)
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    The Jets haven't had a 12 win season since 1998.

    Maybe you should stick to bible quotes.
     
  11. TonyMaC

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    maybe because he got them to 11 wins in the first place? theres a feeling that this can be replicated and that getting so close to prominence is a sign that he can make it all the way if things go a little bit better.

    Many feel his defensive mind is not worth giving up so easily and just needs an offensive compliment to be a powerful combination.

    the record has been going in the wrong direction to be sure, but I think at this point it comes down to personal patience, feeling that the positives outweigh the negatives, and not wanting to give up one good thing thats already here for something with unknown benefits. (a coach known for having good defenses with a winning record and playoff success vs. an unknown alternative)

    theres no right answer but the OP doesn't give much in the way of smart reasons to part with him.
     
  12. FlashGordon

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    Doesn't matter what you like, the point is that calling players out in public is something that successful coaches have done, so it's not something anyone can point to and say, "Rex sucks/will not be successful because of this."

    This is besides the fact that it's not even a defining characteristic for Rex Ryan.
     
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    This is true, but Levy DID make the superbowl. Rex hasn't. Levy not only had a Qb, but one helluva a team overall. Was Levy a defensive specialist too? I would imagine the game has changed quite a bit since then and so has the expectations of most fan bases. The idea of waiting 5-10-15 years for a team to make a SB might still work in places like Green Bay, Chicago, Dallas, Pittsburgh, New England and even the Giants . Those teams all have a successful history behind them while the Jets don't. When your franchise hasn't won shit in 45 years, you don't have the luxury of waiting forever to get things right. That's why Rex, even with his back to back AFCCG appearances as collateral, doesn't get forever as a timeline.
     
  14. Section316

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    So in summation

    The Jets haven't had the success that other, more successful franchises have had, and because of that, they cant afford to follow the blueprint that other, more successful franchises follow.

    Gee sounds like a recipe to bring the Lombardi home in no time! Not a sure-fire way to ensure that the Jets will always be playing catch up to GB, NE, IND, and NYG or anything.
     
  15. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    We had Thomas Jones and Leon Washington as our running backs in 2009. We had a still effective Tomlinson in 2010 and between those three they covered up a lot of Sanchez weaknesses.Who did we have in 2011 and 2012 to do that? And people wonder why we weren't as good the last two years.
     
  16. FlashGordon

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    Here's a good article on Rex's defense:
    http://turnonthejets.com/2013/05/new-york-jets-stop-with-3-4-labels/

    Basically, call the "base defense" whatever you want, it will not necessarily be what is played. And call Coples OLB all you want but he's only sort-of a linebacker. This was being reinforced in the preseason when Coples lined up outside standing up, at end AND tackle with his hand down. It's innovative and has been largely successful.
     
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    I have to agree with the drafts being terrible. Year after year we take someone of the defensive for our first 2 picks. We should always have a top tier defense with all those picks.
     
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    What works for some franchises doesn't necessarily mean automatic success for another franchise. Circumstance may be different. Opportunity may be different in the form of available talent in both the draft and FA. The variables are huge. Pro Football has changed quite a bit since the days of Landry, Lombardi, Parcells, Levy, et al. Especially in this day and age of tight money for the fan vs. FA for the franchises. You have to give some ROI or you will start to see a slippage. That ROI can't take decades to become reality either.

    Those franchises could sell a "patience first" approach to their fanbases because they have succeeded in the past. They used that as credit to sell their customers the patience angle and frankly, fans are customers.

    The Jets don't have that luxury. The Patriots lucked up with both Belichek and Brady. That set them on their decade long run at the top of the AFCE. From what I remember, if it wasn't for Brady, Belichek was about to walk the plank. Both guys should send Mo Lewis a check every year and a bouquet of flowers.

    Now, Rex isn't a Superbowl winning coach. He isn't a Superbowl appearing coach either. If you want to give Rex that same amount of leeway that you would give to say, Coughlin, what has to happen..?
     
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    Blessed are those who mourn ... for they will be comforted.


    Will another losing season make you happy as long as Ryan keeps his job?
     
  20. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Thanks for the link, I will read it later, but I think we both know it's lost on the "person" you quoted. Or if you don't, read the rest of their posts to become convinced.
     

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