Even if I agreed with the basic tenet of your argument (I don't), you are missing the obvious: WE HAVEN'T WON CONSISTENTLY with Mark Sanchez as our starting quarterback.. We've had two good years and two disappointing years, the last of which was particularly futile. And the bottom line is, we've had anywhere from mediocre to outright poor quarterback play during that 4 year time period.
2 playoff wins a year for 2 straight years and 1 losing season in 4 years is winning consistently. since 2009: Only TWO QBs have more playoff wins(Rodgers and Flacco) Only SIX QBs have helped their teams reach more postseasons(Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan) That doesn't happen w/ poor QB play. he was never great but he was good and he helped us win a lot of games including the MOST playoff wins in franchise history all on the ROAD(3rd all time in road playoff wins by the way)
You're missing the crux of the argument: When we've had successes, it was mostly due to Sanchez and not very much to do with the team or more specifically, the quality of talent around him or the coaches or the play-calling. But when we've had failures, it was mostly due to the lack of talent (or healthy players) surrounding Mark Sanchez, or the coaching, or the play-calling, and had little to do with Mark Sanchez' abilities. Good years = Good Sanchez getting most of the credit for the wins. Bad years = Good Sanchez but the surrounding circumstances get most of the blame for the losses.
Is this what you interpret I have said? b/c I have never said anything close to that. I give him proper credit unlike most of the board who says he was along for the ride w/ our '85 bears level D and blame him for all our losses from 2009-2012.
Junc, the one thing you cannot deny is that our W/L Column is headed in the wrong direction after 4 years with Mark Sanchez as QB. This is a fact. If the trend were losing years trending into winning years after 4 years with Mark Sanchez as QB, you might have an argument to say "stay the course." But staying the course with this trend isn't an option, unless you want us to be the 1-15 NFL laughing stocks again. It is hard to imagine that after 4 years one cannot see the same ineptness, the lack of progress, the same mistakes occurring over and over again, the same poor timing, the same lousy decisions, the chancy throws, the Helter-Skelter pocket moves, the same ball insecurity with complete disregard after 4 years, and now even a lack of basic "NFL QB Clock Management 101." So after 4 years we're going backwards. You can see that, right? You can see how people are upset with 4 years seemingly going in the wrong direction, right?
The bolded is simply a fallacy. There are plenty of historical examples of teams having marginal success despite mediocre, or in some cases, even poor qb play. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. Football is a team sport. Every time that you blindly cite a team statistic (like wins) in order to support an individual (Sanchez), your argument becomes inherently fallacious. The consistent logical oversight in all of your pro-Sanchez rhetoric is that you continually equate team wins with competent quarterback play, all the while constantly ignoring the individual performance of the quarterback, himself. THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
It has headed in the wrong direction as the talent has evaporated around the QB. "Better" QBs w/ more talent struggle to win too, Eli has missed 3 of 4 postseasons in a division w/o a NE type team and w/ SB caliber talent. The talent has been upgraded on O assuming we stay healthy, we have a better OC. we'll be better this year, playoff better? probably not but we'll get the needle moving in the right direction again this year. we went from 9 to 11 to 8 to 6, that hasn't been 4 years of going backwards and he took over when the team hadn't made the playoffs in 3 years and hadn't won a playoff game in 5 years.
Please name them? and name me the teams w/ at least 2 playoff wins in back to back years where they defeated the hottest teams in the conference on the road in the div rd each year. you can have a fluky run but 2 years in a row is not a fluke, you can have a bad QB win a game here or there but 4 road playoff wins in 2 years? not happening w/ poor QB play so name me all these examples please? The individual play of the QB himself has been good in all years w/ the exception of 2012.
That's just not true. The problem is you guys see someone defending him and not laying ALL the blame on him so if you aren't giving him all the blame then I must be saying he's great. I give him his proper share of the blame, I am FAIR which is something most of you guys are not blaming him for every loss and making every excuse about him when we win.
So what! He also took over when the team hadn't won a Superbowl in 40 years. My point is, you can't look at what the team did or didn't do prior to his arrival. I am only looking at what the team has done or not done since his arrival. You say "9 to 11 to 8 to 6" hasn't been going backwards. It certainly is! 9 or 11... not a big spread... separated by one game either way, really. But then 8 and then on to 6? How is this not a very disturbing trend?
This statement is as overreactionary as the guys you are describing. Of course no one but a complete fool would lay ALL the blame on Sanchez. That's imbecilic. But nor do we ignore the obvious faults this guy has and bring them to your attention, only to be thwarted left and right. Let's take the lack of understanding "NFL QB Clock Management 101" on Saturday night. What's up with that? Is that the coaches fault? The talent surrounding him? Can THAT blame be transferred to anyone else? It's almost like you could if you had the window. So please explain whose fault that was... running out the clock and leaving 3 points on the sidelines. And after you explain whose fault it was, please tell me if this is what you'd like to see in a 4-year starting QB.
why can't we look at where they were when he took over? a HOF bound QB couldn't get a similar team to postseason in a year w/ a weaker sched and no Tom Brady to deal with. he has DOUBLE the playoff wins of the next best QB in Jets history(in terms of playoff wins). Does this not mean anything? I have been following this team since the early 80s, from 1981-2008 I saw 2 trips to the AFC Championship Game and from 2009-2012 I saw 2 trips. I appreciate that. 9 to 11 isn't a big spread but 8 to 6 is? I have never been more disappointed in him than the clock mistake to end the 1st half the other night. There are no excuses for that mistake.
1) Go back watch the 2000 Ravens . . . and then tell me that a team can't win playoff games with mediocre quarterback play. When you're done with that, go watch the 2002 Bucs. Then go watch Joe Flacco's playoff game against the Pats in 2009. While your at it, go look at the big seasons Pittsburgh had with Kordell Stewart at the helm (Of Particular significance, go look at their 1997 and 2001 seasons). I could go on . . . You're just wrong here. Teams have won big games playing around their quarterback. It's not easy to do, but it happens. 2) The bolded is a patently absurd statement. Mark Sanchez was irrefutably one of the worst quarterbacks in the league in 2009, he was mediocre in 2010, and he was anywhere from mediocre to poor in 2011 (he was particularly bad down the stretch and played one of the worst games of his career in Miami to close the season). Every time you insist on calling Mark Sanchez's performances in 2009 and 2011 "good", you only serve to further embarrass yourself and do irreparable harm to whatever little credibility you have left on the subject.
At least you're not calling me names. I miss Abysmal and Hobbes calling me names in order to embellish their points of view. If you're losing an argument (like "Clock Management 101"), the least you can do is resort to name-calling. LOL
