we gonna act like Mark didn't move the offense at will last game? interceptions aren't important in preseason games, it's about getting the offense in that right groove and Sanchez did just that.
for rookie standards(normal rookies not last years Big 3) he had a very good rookie year. 3 bad games skewed his overall #s but he was good the majority of the year and elevated his play in postseason. 2010 he was really good, top 10 good. He was a game manager type as a rookie, in 2010 he won games w/ his arm and again elevated his play in postseason. 2011 his #s were up across the board but he took a step back from his play in 2010 but was still mid of the pack. 2012 was a disaster, possibly worst QB in the league and at the very least in the running.
Okay... let's say I agree 100% with your assessment. Do you see a trend here? Follow the sequence and tell me Sanchez' development is headed in the right direction. Okay, I know... it was everyone else's fault.
we could win w/ 2011 mark Sanchez despite the lack of talent around him, in 2012 no QB could win. He's had one bad year in a year no QB could have succeeded.
I think both, he should have been better but he wasn't going to be good w/ the healthy talent we had.
I agree, but the QB is such an integral part of success/failure. So I think this is where the difference lies. You see MS playing less of a role in the last two seasons and many others see MS as a leading contributor to the failure.
He contributed, he definitely regressed. he looks really good in preseason outside of a play here or there. He has to cut down on the dumb mistakes, can he do it at this point? My faith was shaken w/ that end of half goof up.
I will give you this: MS looks better this year with this new offense and play-calling. So to that end, your talking points have some merit. I still personally think he could (should) have contributed more seeing as how he had 2-3 seasons under his belt. Good, progressing QBs find a way to succeed without being surrounded by supreme talent and/or injuries. But this one didn't. You assign less blame on MS than most othere here do, so this is the bone of contention. Meanwhile, out DEF is being completely ignored. We look terrible, and it this doesn't change, the leading contributor to failure this year will not be the QB, it will be our DEF. BRING BACK HOBBES NOW! I like the way he makes his points thru name-calling!
he's never had supreme talent and he's helped us reach 2 title games, what he had last year was the worst healthy skill players in the league. Much better QBs w/ playoff caliber talent struggled and missed the playoffs. I assign mark proper blame, he deserves his share but most fans think it is all him and that if he is gone everything will be great. Our D looked atrocious the other night, I think our D is going to be very good though. It is young so there will be growing pains but rex isn't showing anything in preseason. I hope Hobbes comes back, he does make interesting points which get clouded by some of the off the wall stuff and name calling but overall he has a good take on the game.
I respect posters like yourself who make their points without name-calling. You are a good example of what it takes to have meaningful discussions. I respect that, but don't necessarily agree with your assessment of MS.
I never expect everyone or anyone to agree with me. I enjoy getting my point of view out there, if I'm wrong I'm wrong but when I feel I am right I will battle to the end- until I am 100% proven wrong.
Anyone who holds the above position just doesn't know football. But I do think you are not assigning enough blame on MS. I think, if we had a better QB, things wouldn't be "great," but they'd at least have been better. QB is such a key position in the OFF that you really can't assign only 1 out of 11 in terms of blame for success or failure. The weight is much heavier on the QB... good or bad. That's just the way it is for that position. Good QB decisions bring good results, bad ones lead to disaster. Not finding someone wide open and screaming for the ball or running out the clock for the opposition are two prime examples. So the bone of contention in this entire thread can be boiled down to: "How much blame do you assign Mark Sanchez?" I respect your admirable and often detailed defense of Mark, I just happen to think you don't assign him enough blame. BTW, he was surrounded by supreme talent for the first 16 games he started in college and this resulted in a good season. Our mistake was not listening to his coach and drafting this "talented, winning QB" at number 5.
For all NYJ fans wake up & smell the roses cause at this moment U can describe our QB situation as shit & shittier. No use worth any more of your time debating this since all anybody says on either side will not change the horrible situation the FO put us in concerning this position so thank U Woody/Tanny/Rex & company :sad:
agreed. Now it comes down to people taking themselves seriously and arguing forever. I think its time to wake up and smell the roses!
his coach was selfish and knew mark leaving would cost him another Nat'l Title(until vacated by the NCAA of course), Mark was ready, if he wasn't there's no way we make 2 title games.
So now we can heavily assign the weight of those two achievements on Mark Sanchez and not the team? But when we lose it's on the team and not MS? Come on Junc, you can't have it both ways, man.
