G'Mac appreciation thread

He should get a fair chance to compete.

 

Unfortunately for GMac most fans and I fear the Jets also,view him as nothing more then a third this year and only a possible second next year
I know the kid does not have the strongest arm in the house, which seems to eliminate him from the competition. I personally would just like the CS to evaluate his play with the first team offense, against a preseason opponents first teams defense.
Honestly, he seemed the most comfortable with the new system Friday night. If he did not always have to run for his life behind a patch work offensive line all the time, he might look even better. His skill set seems made for MM system, correctly read the defense, find the open receiver, make an accurate throw. The only area he may lack in, is his ability to make the deep throw. I know most of his preseason play time was against the 3's, yet didn't be look like he knew just what he was doing. All he seems to do anytime he plays is to move the chains and score TD's. Let's see how he does behind the ones for a series or two before they dismiss him to the third QB role.

 

He will be a great backup going forward after the Jets dump Sanchez. The guy imo is better than given credit for.

 

If he played with the first team you'd have a point, but he's playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

 

The backup QB is always the most popular player on the team. In this case it's a 3rd stringer ballin on the 3rd team defense.

Greg cannot make the NFL throws. You have to make throws in the tightest of windows and McElroy does not have confidence in his arm to do so.

Dude is smart, but I don't think his arm is NFL caliber.

 

This is the dumbest accusation you can make to any QB material. Unless the QB happens to be Chad Pennington post 2nd shoulder surgery, this shouldn't be the overriding concern. Joe Montana didn't have that rocket arm. Neither does Tom Brady. There are countless many other QBs who didn't have rocket arm only to have successful career in NFL.

What really matters is between the ears. That's where Sanchez fails too.

 

You saw McElroy against the Chargers. He just kept holding onto the football, he doesn't have much confidence in his arm past 20 yards or so. He didn't even attempt to throw the football into a tight window. It's either throw in a tight window and / or throw the WR open and I didn't see neither.

His arm IMO is much weaker than Chad post 2nd surgery.

You need to have some arm strength. At least some.

McElroy I believe has the mental aspect pretty good. He just has more limitations to his game.

Mark can't read defenses but he's got the balls to make a throw McElroy couldn't / wouldn't make. Wherever it be a TD or Int.

 

Although, he lacks the physical abilities that Geno and even pick 6 maintain, the football seems relatively safer in McElroy's huddle. Like Pennington, McElroy has perfected his ball faking skills. He would be a solid fit in a power offense (the offense Rex wanted "Ground n' Pound"). Unfortunately, we have decided to be pass happy; which hasn't worked since '98.

Looking back, we should have kept Greene and found a way to sign a back like Reggie Bush. That would have been a solid two headed monster to watch and McElroy (with some weight lifting and training) would stick the dagger in defense with the PA bootleg bomb to Braylon Edwards, Kerley over the middle, Keller/Winslow over the middle and maybe, just maybe we are able to successfully complete HB screen pass (Pick 6 for the life of me cannot figure out the HB screen. I think it's bc he does not look off defenders at all; instead staring directly at the HB the entire time.) Among other things Sanchez sucks at ball faking, he has since day 1.

 

1. If you blamed him for [not throwing the ball away] I can agree with you there.

2. Just holding on to the ball? He doesn't see anyone open - so what is he supposed to do? Throw the ball up for grabs? That's so Mark Sanchez.

3. The OL didn't particularly do a good job that day either - it's not all on GMac that day.

4. All in all, how many dumb turnovers did he have, a la Sanchez? That is, as same Sanchez apologist logic dictates, with pretty weak protection and no offensive weapons available to him. Sure, 11 sacks look horrible but looks hell lot better than 11 picks. Imagine if Nacho started the game. Did it ever occurred to you, how ugly that game could have been?

Just what are you talking about?

WCO does not require rocket armed QB. I just find this puzzling - why do so many people have such hard time understanding this simple fact?

Arm strength is NOT necessary for the deep balls. [Some, but not quite.] Arm strength is needed when the ball has to get to the WR fast - as in intermediate routes, like dig, hitch, curl and out routes, where the WR is covered by DB on man-to-man coverage. Then, you know you have real tight window, and the defenders will be looking at you too. You know - when Marino is throwing it, the old "Break on the ball shit" don't work, as Saban said once.

In WCO? That offensive system does not rely on the cannon arm of the QB in the first place. Case in point? Take a look at 15-yard out route, with DB in man-to-man coverage. In conventional offensive system, the QB is usually taught to throw the ball [when the WR makes the break.] So, if the WR makes a sharp cut, the DB knows the ball is coming. The flight time of the ball is limited in that sense - the ball can stay in flight from the moment when the WR makes the cut until he makes the catch. It's very short. No wonder you'd want that cannon armed QB there.

How does that change in WCO? The QBs are taught to fire the ball away when the WR is about 3/4 of the way toward the designated spot - that is, before he makes the cut. The DB is still in trail technique when the ball is airborne, and when the WR makes the cut, then the DB sees the ball approaching the WR. It affords more time for the QB - just, the catch is, the WR and QB all have to be on the same page. But nowhere in WCO the play is impacted by the lack of arm strength of the QB. Only the amount of practice and the execution matters in the end.

Sure, cannon arm is always a nice luxury to have - short flight time is always favorable to any offense, since that means that much shorter time for the defense to respond. Just, know that it is a LUXURY, not a NECESSITY. There are various ways to shorten the flight length of the pass, i.e. with route combinations or varying launch points, etc etc.

 

You cannot judge a player on ONE game.

 

1. There's a time and place to take a sack, but to take 11 of them? Throw the ball away or make a play.

2. Throw it away. But in all honesty I don't think he has much confidence in his arm to put it only where the WR can get it. Mark doesn't have that quality either but again at least he tries.

3. The offensive line didn't play to its normal standards but again 11 sacks? How much is on the offensive line?

4. I'm not sticking up for Sanchez here but lets be fair, Mark did toss 3 TDs last time he started against the Chargers. Taking 11 sacks is just too much. We lost that game anyway so not sure it could of been worse.

 

We don't have a strong sample size, but nothing positive came out of that Chargers game. Not one.

 

considering his lack of reps with the 1's, he did alright.

 

As 101 said, the b/u QB is every fan's favorite player when the 1st string QB is struggling.

The GMac fans are the same 2007 Kellen Clemens fans. Another disaster pulling Chad for Kellen. We were better off with Bollinger when Chad & Feidler went down.

 

He had a full week to prepare! The Chargers aren't that good defensively. If Mark was cut and we drafted Geno, Geno would be the defacto starter and McElroy wouldn't stand a chance to start just as he doesn't now

 

Just like Brett Ratliff too. Kellen another disastrous QB, he did have his time in the sun in that Ravens game though.

 

Appreciate the walking sack.

 

Of course. That's better than walking INT machine any day of the week.

And all I am saying is: give this kid a chance and see how far he can take it. It is NOT like Jets should start GMac.

And, unlike Kellen Clemens, this kid comes from strong program [Bama] and had a track record of success there for two years already.

 

There's two things that's paramount in the WCO; accuracy and smarts.

The only one anywhere near McElroy's accuracy is Geno.
The only one anywhere near McElroy's smarts is Geno.

Geno has more physical talent than McElroy.
Geno has a way higher ceiling in terms of being a complete, franchise QB.

I want McElroy to start 'til the day he's overtaken by Geno, whenever that may be.

The only thing keeping Mark of the bench is Rex's pride, and time. As the season moves along and the WCO settles in, McElroy and Geno will leave poor INTman behind due to accuracy.

Whether MM gets his say and Rex finally accepts defeat in the Sanchez saga is a different story.