So any team with an injured back or a back who holds out is similarly screwed? How come it doesn't work that way?
How many of those teams had HBs that played the entire season and didn't start TC on the exercise bike? Out of our crop of current HBs our supposed 2 starters are not playing or involved in regular team activities, that hurts the team imo. We are not an elite team and cannot afford to have starters not practising.
Apparently we ARE an elite team. At least, according to TGG. A lot of people predicting 10 or more wins in the record thread.
I don't think that's the point. How many of those SB winners had ELITE QBs? The Jets do not have that. So they need other areas of the team to pick it up. If the Jets had Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees or Peyton Manning, Powell would be fine as the main back. But the Jets have Sanchez/Smith, so we need the running game to be at its best for this team to score and win games. To me, Powell is a JAG. A serviceable NFL player. Maybe he'll prove he can be more this year in his third season. He's a good insurance policy. But not one you want to have to use entering week one as your main option.
2011 - Giants had Bradshaw and Jacobs, which was a decent duo. 2009 - Saints had Pierre Thomas, Mike Bell, Reggie Bush. Pretty good trio. 2007 - Gaints had Jacobs (Who was really good back then) and Derrick Ward. Another good duo. 2006 - Indy had Addai who was really good at the time. 2005 - Steelers had Willie Parker who had a very good year, 2004 - Pats had Corey Dillion. Enough said there. The years I listed prove you don't need an elite RB to win the Super Bowl. But they still show you need someone slightly above average or better. And you DEFINITELY need an elite RB if you want a team with Sanchez as its QB winning the SB.
And all had good quarterbacks. Eli in 2007 wasn't that great, but he played like it come playoff time. I'm not convinced any of those backs were that great. But with a quarterback putting pressure on the defense, all of those teams had very effective running games. And that doesn't include luminaries like Antowain Smith and Ryan Grant. Powell could absolutely be a starting running back on a Super Bowl team that had an elite quarterback. But without that, he's a complementary back to someone better.
Pretty much. The only non-elite QB's that won SB's on that list are Brad Johnson and Flacco. Maybe Eli's borderline elite but all of those guys even are better than our QB's.
I don't really get the OP's gripe...36 days away is not THAT much time, and these are all new guys that need to learn the system. At least Powell is having a good camp, but they are very thin at the position.
I didn't mention our QB situation becauise I think we all know. But yes point emphasised by your comment is true. What I meant was that because we are not an elite team the players and CS need to pull together and be as strong as we possibly can be. So we don't have an elite QB (yet) and an average back, how folks are predicting 10 wins is a joke frankly. That all said and done, I think that the way the team pulls together will make us a very strong team next season, and yes that will include Rex.
We are going to miss Greene this year. People always said he didn't have the big play ability . . . which is probably true, but the fact that he could stay healthy and that he had back to back 1000 yard seasons is something that none of our current rb's have yet to do. Also, come playoff time when d's are tired, he has proven he can get the job done. If we still had greene in the backfield along with either goodson or ivory and powell i'd feel much better about our current rb situation.
Powell was a better player than Greene was last year. Greene is trash. He had no vision, no elusiveness, no ability in the passing game, and could never break a long play... and he was never even a good short yardage back, which is what Tenn stupidly signed him to be.
Greene, is a solid back in the NFL. Doesn't matter what the hater think, the guy could play and he was improving in pass protection and catching passes. I never understood why we dropped TJ until they picked up LT. And than to replace LT with no one was a Big mistake. Greene can be your right hand to a solid 1-2 punch. I thought late in season 2009 and 2010 defenses were reeling badly when Greene carried the rock. We could have easily stayed GnP like Rex wanted, but we tried to change our identity on offense from power football to pass happy. Why????? "Bc that's what everyone else is doing" (No! see ravens last year). The only players we should have added was a feature back and Oline. So many mistakes after the 2010 season more mistakes after the 2011 season. Tanny sucked badly at evaluating offensive talent, Rex did/does too.
:up: Greene rocked defenses late 2009 starting whe Leon got hurt in Oakland. He carried a banged up TJ and the Jets Offense on his freaking shoulders throughout the post season. He started the 2010 season like trash and than sure enough by week whatever when we played the Vikes he turned it on again faithfully putting NE to sleep in the divisional round and playing a solid game the following week drilling Steelers in AFC championship. By the end of that season Wayne fuckinh Hunter started at RT, How?, the world will never know and aging LT disappeared thanks in part to the new "leaders" of the offense el capitan, fresh new contract holmes and cheddar bob burress. What a shit tandem that was unless we were inside the redzone. Tenn, is going to be dominant in the running game this year. Book it. I am excited to see more Powell though. I honestly think this guy has flashes of excellence. He looked shifty as heck in the Green and white scrimmage. 4tds last season on limited carries. I want to see more. Hopefully we have HB screen in the playbook this year.
I dont know football because I think Greene is trash? Please. The guy was good in the playoffs, and there wasnt much else to write home about. Remind you of Sanchez? He is the definition of a plodder. He doesnt even break tackles and the amount of people he made miss over the past 4 years I could probably count on my two hands. There is nothing special about him. Im sorry if that offends you, but its true. Just like Sanchez, he was a bottom quarter starter at his position. We rightfully moved on from Greene, and soon enough we will be from Sanchez. Tenn will have a good run game because of Chris Johnson, not because of whatever Shonn Greene may add. You ever realize why LT was our goal line back? Its not because he could plow himself into the endzone, its because he had the vision to find the few holes in such a tight space. Greene was never capable of that and Tenn will be disappointed when they find that out.
Greene was frustrating to watch, but when your offense is one dimensional and your OC is about as smart as a bag of footballs, the O-line is pretty much trash on the right side and everything about the offense is a disaster it has to be difficult to keep the motivation up. We agree to disagree, I edited my original comment, that was uncalled for. However, I think Tenn is going to have a power house of a running attack and I think Greene will be an instrumental part of that. He is a solid #2 running back, extremely solid.
What happens if Bilal Powell has a serious injury? The rest of the RB crew is so spotty. It's not an issue yet, but it could be. Worst case scenario- Ivory keeps having hamstring issues and can't start week 1. Goodson remains in rehab, or gets hit with the most serious gun charge and can't play. Bilal Powell tears his ACL in the third preseason game, and McKnight is having concussion issues.
Ivory averaged like 5.1 YPC with the saints IIRC, and he was pretty good in the few starts he had. Of course the situation is one of the worst in the league, there is no former 1000 yard rusher on the squad, and really nobody who has started a full season.
You & I have disagreed about Greene for a long time. I just see a depleted position league wide as the game changes.There are really only 4-5 guys in the entire league who are game changers at that position.Most of them have battled injuries & have had trouble staying on the field. Greene isn't flashy & maybe isn't a big play threat.But he is a punishing power back who's displayed the ability to be a 3 down player & 1000 yard rusher. w/ Rbs having an increasing amount of injuries& receiving less carries..that is no easy feat. I was fine w/ the Jets moving on from Greene as fresh faces were needed after last year's disaster..but I don't view him negatively or as a failed draft pick. He was what he was. An above average power back.I actually think he will compliment Chris Johnson well in Tennesee
