How do you know he values money over wins? Based on what? Didn't he take a paycut this year. Sounds like a "selfish" money hungry guy to me.
No problem with that. In a lot of ways Tanny is to blame for Holmes. When all the money is guaranteed, titles just handed to you; there is no reason to tie up the laces, clip on the pads and strap up the helmet. Now, it's just 'tone time baby! We be chillin. Incentive laced contracts, earn your bread on the field. Than, every once in awhile you get players that just want to play the game bc it means something more than monetary value. Those guys usually make it to Canton or are remembered by an organization forever. #89, #80, #28,
I'm pretty sure the other option was to cut him or trade him. We already had this discussion. The ax was lying in his locker. It paid for Holmes to take the cut.
Was there a difference in his play from 2010 to 2011? He still put up around the same numbers. He still made big catches and made plays. Is it his fault that Tanny overpaid for him? What is it about Holmes that gives off an impression of a player that is selfish and only in it for the money?
I don't think "teammates" that take off plays are good teammates. Many a time I remember watching a broken play turn into something because real teammates didn't give up on the play. Holmes, has the ability to play at extremely high level, but it take so much in prodding him to play that it becomes exhausting. His attitude and ego are bigger than the team. There were so many problems with the offense in 2011 and 2012 and where you would expect Holmes to be one of the few bright spots he became instead quite possibly the biggest problem. He always seemed to come in to the first week okay, but as adversity mounted and the realization struck that we just aren't that good on offense, Holmes tucked tail and showed it in dramatic fashion. I don't know for certain and I'm not sure how anyone could know for certain, but I believe the money helped Holmes justify his too cool for the team/fans/organization attitude. I think at some point last season he tried to just play football again, but he got injured; and in getting injured, he probably pulled the ugliest display of character of any player that ever wore the New York Jets uniform from 1998 (when I started following) until today.
The main reason that people are saying he will probably be out for the season is that Holmes himself was quoted by the media saying that he isn't sure if he will be able to play this season. It came out that his lisfranc injury was the most severe kind, he had to re-learn how to walk, and now he is able to run but he still has a lot of work to do before he'd be able to play. It's possible that he was just setting the bar low, expectations wise - so that if he ends up playing 6 games or something people will look at it as "6 games is better than 0" instead of "whoa, he missed 10 games." His strategy might be to collect his $7.5m guaranteed, rest up absolutely fully, let the Jets cut him, and then try to get someone else to give him a 3 year contract. The problem with that strategy is that he hasn't even come close to a 1,000 yard season since he came to the Jets, and he will be 30 after this season, so teams will be afraid of him declining even more. Also, he is known to be very self-oriented and stops trying hard unless he is getting lots of targets, meaning you have to either force the ball to him early and often, or accept that he won't do anything after halftime. I think his best shot at getting a decent contract after the Jets cut him after this season (which they will do regardless of whether he plays or not) is for him to play and try his best to put up good numbers, which will allow the Jets to trade him for a 6th or 7th round pick. Otherwise, with his history, he's going to be in an Ochocinco situation where he'll be competing to make whatever team will consider him, for around the vet's minimum.
Who was gonna trade for a player coming off an injury as severe as his? He had/has no trade value at this time, and his cap hit is too large. Maybe after this season they'll cut him and they'll only do so if a few players emerge (Hill, Kerley and maybe Gates and at least 1 UDFA) he didn't have to take a paycut.
Is there an example of him "giving up on plays"? In 2011 how was Holmes "the biggest problem on offense" when the team had no legit deep threat, a turnstile at RT and a bottom of the barrel QB throwing to him? He still made plays, still blocked on run plays, still ran his routes hard etc. I never excused him for the mess he pulled at the end of 2011, but outside of that he's never had any issues. He apologized and was even on pace to have a good season last year until he got hurt. Yes he shouldn't have threw the ball away, but the refs blew the call. Once you give yourself up by NOT attempting a football move ie getting up to attempt to run after he fell. But of course the Jets have historically rarely gotten the benefit of the doubt from refs anyway. His teammates all have said good things about him.
Holmes has not shown himself to be greedy or "me-first". He's endured playing with the worst QB in the NFL- what kind of stats are people expecting? The bigger issue is one that has been with Santonio his entire career-he's just not that great of a receiver. He's a very good complimentary guy, but as a number one receiver, he does not have it and never did.
Sounds as fishy as this injury has been. Your out of almost a year and they dont say he needs 7-10 days..they say he needs another 2 months. I guess we should just take from this, Holmes will not be a factor until week 7 or 8 if he is at all. Hill, J.K., Edwards, Gates? and Winslow will determine if this team has any passing game..oh..and the qb. This is the year of Hll is my gut feeling. Hill will become a legit threat this year and eventually a top 10 to 20 receiver. Really do believe that.
I agree that Holmes was never a true #1, our offense was overall impressive the first 4 games in 2010 without him. I always wanted Braylon back first but they chose Holmes because of all the flash and game winning plays he had. He never impacted the game, those game winning plays were his only big plays. Without a deep threat he got exposed, he was overpaid, nothing more to it. If im a GM, I would never invest much in a WR, they come and go and emerge and dissapear all the time.
I don't think Holmes is ever going to be the guy he once was. His game was based on quickness and change of direction. I'm not expecting much from him if he does play this year.
God, this hate for Holmes is simply unbearable. :lol: at some of these "fans". Keep slandering the guy, it only shows the piss poor mentality that so many fans have these days. Grow up.
People want to bring up 2010 all the time and he was a hero for about 4 games. People don't want to bring up the games he also helped us lose in 2011 (Dolphins x2, Packers, Eagles) - I was done with Holmes after the Eagles game, we were down like 21-0 or whatever we score and he does that stupid Eagles taunt after fumbling the football like twice. He was never a #1 to begin with - hated his attitude and we let go of the ones who put the team first and wanted to win. Let's not act like everyone here wanted Braylon over Holmes, we did a poll and I believe Holmes won that poll after the 2010 AFCCG. Sanchez and Holmes both gone after this season.
I think Hill,Braylon, and Kerley will be better.holmes is more explosive, but If Braylon is treated like a Posession receiver, his size is an asset.
This shouldn't surprise anyone. Also, change the title of the thread to AT LEAST. He will start the season on the PUP list. I wouldn't be shocked if he missed the whole year.
Holmes brought all this wrath upon himself so the "hatred" is deserved. This team is rebuilding and he was part of the reason why the culture on this team was out of control the last two year since Rex and the organization didnt' rein him in.
Holmes has always been about himself, I guess I understand. The real problem I have is the blind eye the jets organization has turned during the whole fiasco. You can't tell me the jets team physician had no clue that this rehab COULD cost our #1 receiver (who is actually a #2) the entire season. If they did know and didn't do anything (besides sign Braylon) then I truly question the ability to run an organization. How do we not at least draft a guy in the 3rd round (Bailey after Geneo would have been nice). But in true jets fashion they draft defense and o-line. Again turning a blind eye to the deficit of weapons on offense. Wow
He suffered a serious lisfranc injury. Some players never fully recover from a serious lisfranc injury (e.g. duce staley). does everybody here have a medical degree and has fully reviewed Holmes' medical records in order to conclude that he is a selfish gold bricker?? However b4 you all leap to assinine conclusions, you may want to actually have some facts and medical knowledge.
